Why do you recommend new DH caster starts between 13' and 13'6" not shorter spey rod?
Thanks!
Yang
-- On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 4:06 PM, John Bilotta <jbilotta@obassociates.net> wrote:
Currently planning Oct 20.
On Sep 14, 2012, at 4:00 PM, Yang Chang wrote:
> Hi Dan, John, and all:
>
> Thanks for your suggestions! And thank John for your offer!
>
> When is the next club casting?
>
> Best,
>
> Yang
>
> On 9/14/12, John Bilotta <obassociates@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Just to pitch in, I second Dan's points on rods, especially that "most
>> will work just fine."
>>
>> I have the TCX 12'6", it is a great, fast action rod affectionately called
>> by some the "deathstar." I use mine on the river and up in NY. I usually
>> fish it with a 550 grain skagit line and a 10-12 sink tip.
>>
>> That said, I am not sure I would recommend this rod to a brand new TH
>> caster. I generally recommend 7wts between 13' and 13'6", with a more
>> moderate-fast action, for most users.
>>
>> You can try my TCX some weekend at club casting, and several other 7wts and
>> see what you like.
>>
>> Chrs
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2012, at 10:11 AM, Dan Davala - Founder/President wrote:
>>
>>> Yang, Mike, and all,
>>>
>>> Great questions! While all of the options may seem dizzying, the great
>>> thing is, most will work just fine. I have my opinions, and others have
>>> theirs. Simply put, there are many ways to play this game. John Bilotta
>>> and I have fished for Stripers, Shad, and other species out here with
>>> everything from 11' - 15' rods, and in nearly every line weight
>>> configuration.
>>>
>>> My short answer is, any two-handed rod from 11'-14' that will handle a
>>> minimum Grain weight of 400 Grains+ will work great. Beyond that, it is a
>>> matter of preference. In my opinion, I like a longer rod because I can
>>> span the widest range of conditions if I have a single hand 9' rod and a
>>> Double in the 13'-14' range. I find when I am fishing BIG water (for
>>> anything), I like my BIG rod, and when the water is small or the fish are
>>> in close, it's hard to beat a single hand rod, especially if you get
>>> proficient making Spey Casts with it. A switch rod is light and fun, and
>>> it nicely fills the niches between these two scenarios, but it is
>>> certainly the master of neither.
>>>
>>> About the surf, there are several schools of thought, and all are valid.
>>> Personally, I much prefer my long rods in the surf and fish my 14' 9weight
>>> the most. As you know, the surf zone is BIG water, and a long rod has
>>> many advantages when lifting line over waves, repositioning line for
>>> another cast, and casting repeatedly with the least amount of effort.
>>> Again, these are only my opinions, but they are based on actual fishing
>>> experiences with rods from 9'-15'.
>>>
>>> About the Erie/Ontario tribs, I have far less experience than others here,
>>> so I hope Richie, Rob, John, and others will chime in. The tribs I have
>>> fished for Steelhead I could cover extremely well with a single hand rod
>>> and Spey Casts. There are many specialized lines made for this type of
>>> fishing these days as well, which can maximize the efficiency of single
>>> hand rods in the smaller streams.
>>>
>>> For lines, I fish a Skagit line with different tips in both the Potomac
>>> and in the surf. Many internet forums suggested that Skagit lines and
>>> sustained anchor casts would not work well in the Surf, but I have found
>>> the opposite to be true. There is merit and value to learning to cast and
>>> fish with other types of lines, and I do, but day in and day out I find
>>> the Skagit set up to be the best for what I do. Especially since
>>> stripping line is a useful part of my retrieve for imparting action to the
>>> fly when fishing Shad, Stripers, Bluefish, etc. Of course, I can swing
>>> with it two when that is the desired presentation.
>>>
>>> About the reels you both mention, the Hydros 5 will have plenty of
>>> capacity for any Switch or Spey setup from 11'-14' and for line ratings of
>>> #6-#9. I think it is a bit big actually for the 11'-12'6" rods, but that
>>> is my opinion. I fish a #5 Mirage (same capacity) on my 14' 9weight and
>>> find the balance to be perfect, but I had to back it with Gel Spun (GSP)
>>> to get the capacity I want. The Access #4 reel mentioned will work on a
>>> switch rod, but will be a bit light to balance anything much over 11' in
>>> length, regardless of line rating.
>>>
>>> By far, the best thing you guys can do is get down on the river with John
>>> Bilotta and others when we gather for casting sessions. Most of the rods
>>> described above are available for a test drive, and with nearly every line
>>> system imaginable. I hope this helps a bit, and I look forward to other's
>>> opinions.
>>>
>>> Dan Davala
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 14, 2012 8:53:15 AM UTC-4, Mike D. wrote:
>>> Yang - It's as if you read my mind. I was thinking of asking the same
>>> question, and we've got nearly identical set-ups (7-wt. for steelhead,
>>> 9-wt. for stripers). My main concern is finding something that could work
>>> in the surf/on the Potomac/up on the Erie tribs. Is this possible? I
>>> guess we'll find out. I'm also curious about the appropriate line which
>>> might be able to function for all purposes. The whole
>>> spey/switch/shooting head line system thing confuses the hell out of me.
>>> And, like you, I was curious about capacity on my Orvis Access IV
>>> (7-9-wt.).
>>>
>>> People have mentioned Rise Fishing Co. rods in the past, and they're
>>> supposed to be coming out with some spey rods in the not-too-distant
>>> future. Their prices are fantastic, so I'm super-interested in what
>>> they're going to offer. Those Sages look sweet, but I love saving $$$
>>> (and trying out rods from various manufacturers). Excited to hear some
>>> input!
>>>
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