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Thursday, 31 January 2019

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Canoe stabilizers/outriggers

I got an earlier set of these ( http://www.castlecraft.com/canoe_stabilizer.htm ) that were foam cylinders. Not as aerodynamic as these but very functional. I can stand with confidence. I also have a piece of plywood that fits over the gunwales to sit on. When I was alone in the canoe I sat backwards over the front seat to better center the weight and keep both ends of the canoe in the water. Now that I am older with some balance issues, I am thinking about adapting a Walker to the plywood platform to aid in balance. If you can stand a push pole comes in handy also.

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On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 11:41 AM, James Ovelmen
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I recently got an old Coleman canoe that I plan to use on local rivers and small lakes; however, I don't feel comfortable standing and casting in it solo or with a second person. I would like to get some kind of stabilizer or outrigger so 2 people can stand and fish from it. Been looking at the wingman but would really appreciate any recommendations or advice from the group. Thanks! Also, once I get something I would be happy to plan a float or hit a lake with someone!

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Tuesday, 29 January 2019

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Whiting Farms

For those interested in where much of our hackle feathers come from: http://bit.ly/2CW6SI3

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} The shad return....

...to New Jersey's Millstone! https://njersy.co/2z940Xo

Mark

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Thank you to those who cleaned fletchers!!!

I second Nick's sentiments. Thank you to all who put in the effort and I plan to join in the efforts in the future.

Mark

On Monday, January 28, 2019 at 9:39:01 AM UTC-5, N Elgas wrote:

As one of the many fisherman that enjoy Fletchers but could not make it out on a cold January Afternoon I want to say thank you

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Monday, 28 January 2019

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Thank you to those who cleaned fletchers!!!

As one of the many fisherman that enjoy Fletchers but could not make it out on a cold January Afternoon I want to say thank you to all of you who worked on the clean up efforts this weekend and got such positive publicity for the local fishing community. I saw the news coverage and recognized many faces from the beer ties, TPFR, and the larger fishing community. It is always inspiring (but not surprising) to me to see the dedication to service, outreach, and just the number of good people this sport and the fishing community holds, especially locally DC METRO and DMV community. Hats off to all of you for your efforts !!

Nick

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Friday, 25 January 2019

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Ride to clean up at Fletcher's

Is anyone going to the clean up at Fletcher's tomorrow from the College Park MD area and could possibly give me a ride ?

I'm in Adelphi very close to the University of Maryland campus.

Thanks

Vladimir ( Vo )

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Wednesday, 23 January 2019

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Cacapon on the fly

The Cacapon is not stocked and should not have trout, However, the North river is stocked and I did catch a 3lb rainbow one spring about 11 miles downs stream of the confluence (rt 127 bridge) and about 20 miles downstream of the stocking area (north Mountain). probably over 20 years ago. The lost river (headwaters of cacapon before it goes underground in wardensville) is also stocked and has several tribs with bookies. Edwards run pond (also a cacapon trib) in capon bridge is also stocked. So it does happen but its not a trout river and nothing is making it through the summer. If you are near the cacapon you should go to town creek DH in Green ridge state park on the MD side of the Potomac for trout. Very nice winter trout stream with little pressure.

On Thursday, January 10, 2019 at 2:54:16 AM UTC-5, Stokes MacIntire wrote:

I sometimes visit the Cacapon river in the winter. Are there any trout?

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Monday, 21 January 2019

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Fwd: Potomac Conservancy and FFC join to help cleanup at the Cove

The date is set for th Fletcher's clean up, please sign up now. I'll be escaping the cold temps in FL this weekend but hope TPFR can make a strong showing to get the cove ready for action this Spring.

Dalton

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Date: Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 6:13 AM
Subject: Potomac Conservancy and FFC join to help cleanup at the Cove
To: Dalton Terrell <Daltonbterrell@gmail.com>

Friends of Fletchers Cove is pleased to join the Potomac Conservancy for the Potomac Cleanup at Fletchers Cove.

Please save the date! Saturday, January 26th.

On the 26th volunteers will join forces to help regain access to the park and river at Fletchers Cove. We thank Mom's Market and Guest Services for their sponsorship and support.

You may view the complete work plan for Saturday here. Due to the potential of extreme weather conditions all volunteers will be notified with an email by Thursday, January 24th that the cleanup will take place as scheduled.

We apologize if you have already received notice. For those of you who have not or simply wish to express your support please SIGN UP here. We look forward to seeing you Saturday and hopefully on the river this spring.

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Friday, 18 January 2019

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} SHAD story: author seeking materials

My brother in law, Stephen Sautner, is in need of materials for an story he's writing about SHAD.

If you can help him out it will be much appreciated.

Thanks!

Mark

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Wednesday, 16 January 2019

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: January Beer Tie - Killer Bugs

Gregg, that sounds like a Great idea! Does Cabela's Serve Beer Yet?.....I bet one of the breweries would love to have us

On Monday, January 14, 2019 at 11:07:49 AM UTC-5, Gregg DiSalvo wrote:

"Remember - street parking is no longer free after 6pm in Arlington."

That's it! Time to move beer tie to Manassas!!!

Anybody?? ;)

On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 2:18:44 PM UTC-5, Rob Snowhite wrote:
Happy new year. Glad to see some chatter on the forum.

The first beer tie of the year will be this Monday. We will return to the outside patio for more space to tie. The theme will be nymphs. I will be teaching the Killer Bug. All tools and materials will be provided free of charge for those tying with me. You can tie this fly without a vise. I will have another pattern to teach if we run out of yarn. If anyone has Chadwick 477 yarn they can show us I would be grateful. I've never seen the original material.

For more information on Killer Bugs
Frank Sawyer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Sawyer_(writer)
https://www.tenkarabum.com/killer-bug.html
https://thelimpcobra.com/2013/10/18/frank-sawyers-killer-bug/

I will be collecting flies for The Mayfly Project over the next few beer ties. Please tie over the next few days or on Monday night to contribute. For more information please listen to my most recent podcast with TMP founder Jess Westbrook on iTunes.

Hope to see some of you at the Virginia show this weekend.

Remember - street parking is no longer free after 6pm in Arlington.

~ Snowhite

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Tuesday, 15 January 2019

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: FFC Volunteers Needed

Signed up. Hope I can make the date!

On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 6:51:25 AM UTC-5, Mike Bailey wrote:

January 2019                                                     Volunteers Needed!

Record 2018 rainfall over the Potomac watershed caused many high water events of extended duration. The average flow exceeded the norm by 200-400% for the last half of 2018. As a result most all Potomac River access points suffered damage from excessive debris and siltation. The sheer velocity of the high water flows dramatically altered the Fletchers Cove river bottom. In this photo album you will see how the debris, sediment and small stone have drifted into positions which make the dock mostly inaccessible from the walkway. We are effectively cut off from access to the Potomac from the FC dock.

Due to the federal government shutdown FFC and its primary stakeholders are unable to present an emergency repair plan to act upon.

We need your help. Weather and conditions permitting FFC is considering hosting a late winter clean up day to help regain access to the lower parking lot and reconnect the floating walkway to the existing dock. The work will require volunteers to move driftwood from the driveway and clear a path to the base of the floating walkway so we may attempt to reconnect it to the dock. The work will be heavy and it will be muddy. We will also ask you sign a waiver of any liability.

Should the shutdown continue and nothing is done there is a real chance we may not have access to the river from the dock this spring. If you are able and willing please submit your name, contact info and days of the week you are available using this web form. FFC will coordinate the effort and follow up with a date and time once we are able to gauge the level of volunteer interest from our friends and followers.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Cancun

Thanks for the input. I'm not on my own, so time for fishing is at a premium. I'll probably drop your guy an email, Rich; I've also corresponded with another guide just to get out for a day. Appreciate it!

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Cancun

On Monday, January 14, 2019 at 8:35:49 PM UTC-5, robert mills wrote:

Cozumel is a bit more than an hour and a half from Cancun, plus the ferry from Playa del Carmen and traffic getting there can be a real pain in the ass. I've spent a fair bit of time in Cozumel for work, and I can attest, fishing there can be a bit tricky but rewarding, and there are very very few people who fly fish the flats. The north end of the island and the east side of the island has *some* flats, there are guides that will take you but there can be a bit of wind, especially in the afternoon, you can also try wading for DIY action but, some areas are restricted during turtle activity or even private access, be sure to be aware of where you are, cops/wardens are generally good guys and if they give you trouble its more out of curiosity than anything else.

I've fished for bones, tarpon, and permit just south of playa at a place called Puerto Adventures, caught lots of Bones, didn't see tarpon or snook, but managed to get a 15lb Jack on a fly, that was worth the day.

My dad has fished Holbox, and at least from his stories it sounds like there are a lot of very very skiddish tarpon that were hard for him to reach, but, he's a not such a great caster.

Personally I give cancun a wide birth when I head to the yucatan, I land and GTFO to someplace like Cozumel or Tulum.

On Thursday, January 10, 2019 at 11:09:53 AM UTC-5, Brian wrote:
I thought I would see if anyone has any updated info about fly fishing in Cancun, or has any recommendations?

I will be there in March for a few days and will be looking to get out.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

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Monday, 14 January 2019

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Cancun

Cozumel is a bit more than an hour and a half from Cancun, plus the ferry from Playa del Carmen and traffic getting there can be a real pain in the ass. I've spent a fair bit of time in Cozumel for work, and I can attest, fishing there can be a bit tricky but rewarding, and there are very very few people who fly fish the flats. The north end of the island and the east side of the island has *some* flats, there are guides that will take you but there can be a bit of wind, especially in the afternoon, you can also try wading for DIY action but, some areas are restricted during turtle activity or even private access, be sure to be aware of where you are, cops/wardens are generally good guys and if they give you trouble its more out of curiosity than anything else.

I've fished for bones, tarpon, and permit just south of playa at a place called Puerto Adventures, caught lots of Bones, didn't see tarpon or snook, but managed to get a 15lb Jack on a fly, that was worth the day.

My dad has fished Holbox, and at least from his stories it sounds like there are a lot of very very skiddish tarpon that were hard for him to reach, but, he's a not such a great caster.

Personally I give cancun a wide birth when I head to the yucatan, I land and GTFO to someplace like Cozumel or Tulum.

On Thursday, January 10, 2019 at 11:09:53 AM UTC-5, Brian wrote:

I thought I would see if anyone has any updated info about fly fishing in Cancun, or has any recommendations?

I will be there in March for a few days and will be looking to get out.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: FFC Volunteers Needed

Wow, this looks like quite a mess. Signed up!

On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 6:51:25 AM UTC-5, Mike Bailey wrote:

January 2019                                                     Volunteers Needed!

Record 2018 rainfall over the Potomac watershed caused many high water events of extended duration. The average flow exceeded the norm by 200-400% for the last half of 2018. As a result most all Potomac River access points suffered damage from excessive debris and siltation. The sheer velocity of the high water flows dramatically altered the Fletchers Cove river bottom. In this photo album you will see how the debris, sediment and small stone have drifted into positions which make the dock mostly inaccessible from the walkway. We are effectively cut off from access to the Potomac from the FC dock.

Due to the federal government shutdown FFC and its primary stakeholders are unable to present an emergency repair plan to act upon.

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Should the shutdown continue and nothing is done there is a real chance we may not have access to the river from the dock this spring. If you are able and willing please submit your name, contact info and days of the week you are available using this web form. FFC will coordinate the effort and follow up with a date and time once we are able to gauge the level of volunteer interest from our friends and followers.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: FFC Volunteers Needed

Thanks for sharing here! Looks like it will be quite a task to get things ready for shad season.

If you're interested in volunteering, don't forgot to click Mike's link to provide your interest and availability.

Thanks,
Dalton

On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 6:51:25 AM UTC-5, Mike Bailey wrote:

January 2019                                                     Volunteers Needed!

Record 2018 rainfall over the Potomac watershed caused many high water events of extended duration. The average flow exceeded the norm by 200-400% for the last half of 2018. As a result most all Potomac River access points suffered damage from excessive debris and siltation. The sheer velocity of the high water flows dramatically altered the Fletchers Cove river bottom. In this photo album you will see how the debris, sediment and small stone have drifted into positions which make the dock mostly inaccessible from the walkway. We are effectively cut off from access to the Potomac from the FC dock.

Due to the federal government shutdown FFC and its primary stakeholders are unable to present an emergency repair plan to act upon.

We need your help. Weather and conditions permitting FFC is considering hosting a late winter clean up day to help regain access to the lower parking lot and reconnect the floating walkway to the existing dock. The work will require volunteers to move driftwood from the driveway and clear a path to the base of the floating walkway so we may attempt to reconnect it to the dock. The work will be heavy and it will be muddy. We will also ask you sign a waiver of any liability.

Should the shutdown continue and nothing is done there is a real chance we may not have access to the river from the dock this spring. If you are able and willing please submit your name, contact info and days of the week you are available using this web form. FFC will coordinate the effort and follow up with a date and time once we are able to gauge the level of volunteer interest from our friends and followers.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: January Beer Tie - Killer Bugs

"Remember - street parking is no longer free after 6pm in Arlington."

That's it! Time to move beer tie to Manassas!!!

Anybody?? ;)

On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 2:18:44 PM UTC-5, Rob Snowhite wrote:

Happy new year. Glad to see some chatter on the forum.

The first beer tie of the year will be this Monday. We will return to the outside patio for more space to tie. The theme will be nymphs. I will be teaching the Killer Bug. All tools and materials will be provided free of charge for those tying with me. You can tie this fly without a vise. I will have another pattern to teach if we run out of yarn. If anyone has Chadwick 477 yarn they can show us I would be grateful. I've never seen the original material.

For more information on Killer Bugs
Frank Sawyer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Sawyer_(writer)
https://www.tenkarabum.com/killer-bug.html
https://thelimpcobra.com/2013/10/18/frank-sawyers-killer-bug/

I will be collecting flies for The Mayfly Project over the next few beer ties. Please tie over the next few days or on Monday night to contribute. For more information please listen to my most recent podcast with TMP founder Jess Westbrook on iTunes.

Hope to see some of you at the Virginia show this weekend.

Remember - street parking is no longer free after 6pm in Arlington.

~ Snowhite

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: January Beer Tie - Killer Bugs

Anyone with kids want me to set up early tonight?

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Motivation for a special regulations and delayed harvest sections

I use to stock accotink with DNR and had the oppurtunity to stock it with John Odenkirk a few years back and asked him a similar question, Delayed harvest in a tail water preserves the fishing experience. Stocking stops in April, but tail waters can hold fish longer than small streams and DH regs stay in effect until June. Or in the case of a small creek like accotink, it allows more anglers to enjoy the resource, while still stocking less fish, more cost effective in heavily populated or pressured areas.

On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 1:50:12 PM UTC-5, Corey Clift wrote:

In the context of trout streams that are not stocked by the state, what motivates the designation of a Special Regulations section. Case in point, the Hazel River vs The Special Reg section of the Rapidan. What is different about the Rapidan that warrants special regulations whereas the Hazel river is only covered by the usual 6 less than 7". Is this motivated by some biological aspect of the fishery? historical use of the river? some local landowner lobbying?

Along the same lines, what is the primary motivation for designating an area as delayed harvest section while others are just put and take? The motivation for Delayed Harvest, in general, seems obvious; I am guessing it prevents the whole stretch of the creek being completely harvested within a short window after the stocking truck leaves allowing more anglers to have fun over a longer period of time. But why designate one specific tailwater as delayed harvest while leaving another tailwater as put and take?

cheers
Corey

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Sunday, 13 January 2019

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} FFC Volunteers Needed

January 2019 Volunteers Needed!

Record 2018 rainfall over the Potomac watershed caused many high water events of extended duration. The average flow exceeded the norm by 200-400% for the last half of 2018. As a result most all Potomac River access points suffered damage from excessive debris and siltation. The sheer velocity of the high water flows dramatically altered the Fletchers Cove river bottom. In this photo album you will see how the debris, sediment and small stone have drifted into positions which make the dock mostly inaccessible from the walkway. We are effectively cut off from access to the Potomac from the FC dock.

Due to the federal government shutdown FFC and its primary stakeholders are unable to present an emergency repair plan to act upon.

We need your help. Weather and conditions permitting FFC is considering hosting a late winter clean up day to help regain access to the lower parking lot and reconnect the floating walkway to the existing dock. The work will require volunteers to move driftwood from the driveway and clear a path to the base of the floating walkway so we may attempt to reconnect it to the dock. The work will be heavy and it will be muddy. We will also ask you sign a waiver of any liability.

Should the shutdown continue and nothing is done there is a real chance we may not have access to the river from the dock this spring. If you are able and willing please submit your name, contact info and days of the week you are available using this web form. FFC will coordinate the effort and follow up with a date and time once we are able to gauge the level of volunteer interest from our friends and followers.

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Friday, 11 January 2019

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Cancun

Brian,

DIY in Cancun can be a tough sell. The beaches on the ocean side always look amazing, but many of the hotels will string nets paralleling the beaches just to keep the urchins off the resorts so the gringos won't step on them. The lagoon on the western side of the Zona Hotelera has snook and baby tarpon in it, but you'll need to find a place to rent SUPs or kayaks. Oh yeah, there are crocs in there too, so beware.

Most people that are staying that far north in Cancun will take day trips to Isla Blanca, which is about 40 minutes away from the hotels. Contact Kirk Seely at Cancun Fly Guides - fish@cancunflyguides.com . They'll arrange to pick you up at the hotel, take you fishing, feed you, take pictures, and drop you back off.

If you want to travel further out and are a bit more adventurous, you have 2 options – Isla Holbox, and Cozumel, but you're looking at renting a car (about $65 a week) or taking an Uber or cab each way, anywhere from an hour and a half or more.

Let me know if there's anything else you want to know.

Regards,

From: Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders <tidal-potomac-fly-rodders@googlegroups.com> on behalf of ALarge <alarge1@gmail.com>
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Date: Thursday, January 10, 2019 at 3:42 PM
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Subject: Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Cancun

I've fished Holbox for tarpon to the north and Punta Allen for permit to the south. Both are top-notch fisheries but not exactly easy to get to from where you will be.

If all else fails, and you can't find anything DIY, try asking the lifeguards and sailing/SUP instructors along the beach hotels for advice. They'll speak English well and will appreciate una buena propina for pointing you in the right direction or even taking you out to the reef, themselves - which I've heard of at some of the high end resorts.

¡Buena suerte!

Try asking your concierge, and if they don't know, find a sailing or SUP instructor at one of the beach hotels and ask them for recommendations.

On Thursday, January 10, 2019 at 3:20:15 PM UTC-5, Brian wrote:

Richie, I'll be in the Hotel Zone, no wheels. Not a whole lot of time but wanted to check the options.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: January Beer Tie - Killer Bugs

Rob, I enjoyed learning more about the Mayfly Project on your podcast. I will gladly get tying to donate. Suggested patterns? Foam spiders, weenies, bluegill bugs kind of stuff?

On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 2:18:44 PM UTC-5, Rob Snowhite wrote:

Happy new year. Glad to see some chatter on the forum.

The first beer tie of the year will be this Monday. We will return to the outside patio for more space to tie. The theme will be nymphs. I will be teaching the Killer Bug. All tools and materials will be provided free of charge for those tying with me. You can tie this fly without a vise. I will have another pattern to teach if we run out of yarn. If anyone has Chadwick 477 yarn they can show us I would be grateful. I've never seen the original material.

For more information on Killer Bugs
Frank Sawyer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Sawyer_(writer)
https://www.tenkarabum.com/killer-bug.html
https://thelimpcobra.com/2013/10/18/frank-sawyers-killer-bug/

I will be collecting flies for The Mayfly Project over the next few beer ties. Please tie over the next few days or on Monday night to contribute. For more information please listen to my most recent podcast with TMP founder Jess Westbrook on iTunes.

Hope to see some of you at the Virginia show this weekend.

Remember - street parking is no longer free after 6pm in Arlington.

~ Snowhite

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} January Beer Tie - Killer Bugs

Happy new year. Glad to see some chatter on the forum.

The first beer tie of the year will be this Monday. We will return to the outside patio for more space to tie. The theme will be nymphs. I will be teaching the Killer Bug. All tools and materials will be provided free of charge for those tying with me. You can tie this fly without a vise. I will have another pattern to teach if we run out of yarn. If anyone has Chadwick 477 yarn they can show us I would be grateful. I've never seen the original material.

For more information on Killer Bugs

Frank Sawyer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Sawyer_(writer)

https://www.tenkarabum.com/killer-bug.html

https://thelimpcobra.com/2013/10/18/frank-sawyers-killer-bug/

I will be collecting flies for The Mayfly Project over the next few beer ties. Please tie over the next few days or on Monday night to contribute. For more information please listen to my most recent podcast with TMP founder Jess Westbrook on iTunes.

Hope to see some of you at the Virginia show this weekend.

Remember - street parking is no longer free after 6pm in Arlington.

~ Snowhite

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Motivation for a special regulations and delayed harvest sections

In the context of trout streams that are not stocked by the state, what motivates the designation of a Special Regulations section. Case in point, the Hazel River vs The Special Reg section of the Rapidan. What is different about the Rapidan that warrants special regulations whereas the Hazel river is only covered by the usual 6 less than 7". Is this motivated by some biological aspect of the fishery? historical use of the river? some local landowner lobbying?

Along the same lines, what is the primary motivation for designating an area as delayed harvest section while others are just put and take? The motivation for Delayed Harvest, in general, seems obvious; I am guessing it prevents the whole stretch of the creek being completely harvested within a short window after the stocking truck leaves allowing more anglers to have fun over a longer period of time. But why designate one specific tailwater as delayed harvest while leaving another tailwater as put and take?

cheers

Corey

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