Tuesday, 12 August 2025

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Pennyfield Lock Smallie question/ stumped


I was up around Brunswick yesterday morning. It was a little slow, but I landed three and had a couple of other swipes before losing my phone and car keys (which brought the fishing to a screeching halt). But while I was looking for my lost phone/keys later in the am, I saw quite a few fish, some in the 20-inch range. I wouldn't say I saw huge numbers, but there were more fish I wasn't catching than I imagined. They were super duper spooky. I didn't even have a rod with me and they were spooking before I got within 30 feet of them—most likely due to the crunch of gravel under my wader boots. But I have heard that the fishing was much better in the past. I've only been fishing them for the past three or so years, but I usually manage 5-10 decent fish, with usually a really nice one or two thrown in. 

Dave


On Tuesday, August 12, 2025 at 12:01:51 PM UTC-4 jhaner...@gmail.com wrote:
Sean,

I have written similar things to the above regarding the upper potomac over the years.  When i first began fly fishing as a teenager between 2012-2014, i used to go out to various areas on upper potomac (lock 7, lock 10, swains lock area, harpers ferry, seneca creek, etc...), barely being able to cast at that time, and would catch smallies every day, in large numbers.  Since ~2015, it seems that the population has gotten crushed (likely by high water events, pollution, etc....)  I no longer live in the DC area, but fished the upper potomac quite a bit during the summer of 2020, and probably caught a total of 3 smallies over 8 outings....the fishery seemed to just be completely dead, and many others have voiced this.  

Within the potomac watershed, i really only fish for smallies on the Monocacy (where i have actually done pretty well since 2019), but if i get the itch to target smallmouth, i make the drive to the juniata or Susquehanna.  I typically do a float on the juniata every summer, and a "bad day" on a 6 mile float for me during the summer is 20 landed fish.  I have had days of landing over 100 fish, and even some in the 4lb range (though the majority of fish are closer to 10-12 inches).

I do not know what has happened to the potomac smallmouth population over the last 10-12 years, but it is a real bummer.  I have not fished the upper potomac for smallmouth in over 3 years, but would be curious to hear if others have noticed the above.

Tight lights,
JH 

On Tuesday, August 12, 2025 at 11:06:50 AM UTC-4 Sean Fine wrote:

I've been fishing the Upper Potomac since the late '80s. A few nights ago, I floated from Seneca Breaks to Pennyfield, fishing until about 10 p.m. I expected the topwater bite to be incredible as dusk set in—but it was absolutely dead. I had a few swipes at my fly and one fish follow, but not a single hookup.

I cycled through a smaller topwater Kreelix, a dragonfly pattern, Ole Mr. Wiggly, and, once it got dark, a frog pattern. I fished mid-river, along the banks, and everywhere in between—still no bites. My son was with me throwing a small floating Rapala, and he also came up empty.

I was stumped. I saw very few fish breaking the surface and almost no damsel or dragonfly activity. The only noticeable insect activity was swarms of what looked like caddis flies, but nothing seemed to be feeding on them. As I pulled my raft out at the dock and headed home, I noticed a full moon—maybe that played a role?

It was a strange evening, especially because just a week earlier I had fished the same stretch at 5 a.m. and fish were chasing minnows everywhere.

I fish this section often, but I can't help wondering if there aren't as many fish here as there used to be,  or there is too much opressure here, or if they've moved to another part of the river due to the recent high water.

It's been driving me crazy—especially since I was hoping to put my son on some great fish that night. I'd love to hear your thoughts or ideas on what might have been going on.

Thanks so much,
Sean

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Pennyfield Lock Smallie question/ stumped

Sean,

I have written similar things to the above regarding the upper potomac over the years.  When i first began fly fishing as a teenager between 2012-2014, i used to go out to various areas on upper potomac (lock 7, lock 10, swains lock area, harpers ferry, seneca creek, etc...), barely being able to cast at that time, and would catch smallies every day, in large numbers.  Since ~2015, it seems that the population has gotten crushed (likely by high water events, pollution, etc....)  I no longer live in the DC area, but fished the upper potomac quite a bit during the summer of 2020, and probably caught a total of 3 smallies over 8 outings....the fishery seemed to just be completely dead, and many others have voiced this.  

Within the potomac watershed, i really only fish for smallies on the Monocacy (where i have actually done pretty well since 2019), but if i get the itch to target smallmouth, i make the drive to the juniata or Susquehanna.  I typically do a float on the juniata every summer, and a "bad day" on a 6 mile float for me during the summer is 20 landed fish.  I have had days of landing over 100 fish, and even some in the 4lb range (though the majority of fish are closer to 10-12 inches).

I do not know what has happened to the potomac smallmouth population over the last 10-12 years, but it is a real bummer.  I have not fished the upper potomac for smallmouth in over 3 years, but would be curious to hear if others have noticed the above.

Tight lights,
JH 

On Tuesday, August 12, 2025 at 11:06:50 AM UTC-4 Sean Fine wrote:

I've been fishing the Upper Potomac since the late '80s. A few nights ago, I floated from Seneca Breaks to Pennyfield, fishing until about 10 p.m. I expected the topwater bite to be incredible as dusk set in—but it was absolutely dead. I had a few swipes at my fly and one fish follow, but not a single hookup.

I cycled through a smaller topwater Kreelix, a dragonfly pattern, Ole Mr. Wiggly, and, once it got dark, a frog pattern. I fished mid-river, along the banks, and everywhere in between—still no bites. My son was with me throwing a small floating Rapala, and he also came up empty.

I was stumped. I saw very few fish breaking the surface and almost no damsel or dragonfly activity. The only noticeable insect activity was swarms of what looked like caddis flies, but nothing seemed to be feeding on them. As I pulled my raft out at the dock and headed home, I noticed a full moon—maybe that played a role?

It was a strange evening, especially because just a week earlier I had fished the same stretch at 5 a.m. and fish were chasing minnows everywhere.

I fish this section often, but I can't help wondering if there aren't as many fish here as there used to be,  or there is too much opressure here, or if they've moved to another part of the river due to the recent high water.

It's been driving me crazy—especially since I was hoping to put my son on some great fish that night. I'd love to hear your thoughts or ideas on what might have been going on.

Thanks so much,
Sean

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Fly fishing this area from boat

Hi Craig,

It all depends on what type of boat you have. If it's fiberglass, I wouldn't take it to the Upper Potomac—I'd use it farther south. There's a ramp at National Airport where you can run upriver to the Fletcher's Cove area during shad season and also have some luck with schoolie stripers then. There are also opportunities for stripers (rockfish) farther south on the Potomac.

As for the Chesapeake Bay, with an 18-foot boat I'd stick to areas close to shore. There are good options out of the South River and Magothy River, both of which are easy to trailer to.

I have a 22-foot Panga that I fish for rockfish from on the Eastern Shore. I've had some great trips, but unless it's calm, I usually stick to Eastern Bay. Unfortunately, fishing has been declining in the bay over the years, and I try not to target rockfish anymore. The bluefish are starting to move up the bay, and by late summer you can get into those, which is a lot of fun.

Hope this helps,
Sean


On Sunday, August 10, 2025 at 5:13:54 PM UTC-7 Craig Aubrey wrote:
Hi, all. First time poster here. I recently took up fly fishing (I used to fly fish a bit, but that was 15 to 20 years ago). Anyway, I recently took a couple casting classes and have been Fly fishing from shore And a kayak in the lakes around Burke. 
I also have an 18 foot center console and was interested what kind of opportunity there was around here to fly fish with it. It doesn't have a trolling motor and would be a huge hassle to outfit it with one.
I assume there's opportunities over in Chesapeake Bay, but I was wondering if there were Opportunities in the Potomac, At least during certain periods of the year.
Would love to get people's thoughts.

For someone that's just starting again, I do have access to several rods. 4, 5, 7, and 12.

Thanks,

Craig

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Pennyfield Lock Smallie question/ stumped

I've been fishing the Upper Potomac since the late '80s. A few nights ago, I floated from Seneca Breaks to Pennyfield, fishing until about 10 p.m. I expected the topwater bite to be incredible as dusk set in—but it was absolutely dead. I had a few swipes at my fly and one fish follow, but not a single hookup.

I cycled through a smaller topwater Kreelix, a dragonfly pattern, Ole Mr. Wiggly, and, once it got dark, a frog pattern. I fished mid-river, along the banks, and everywhere in between—still no bites. My son was with me throwing a small floating Rapala, and he also came up empty.

I was stumped. I saw very few fish breaking the surface and almost no damsel or dragonfly activity. The only noticeable insect activity was swarms of what looked like caddis flies, but nothing seemed to be feeding on them. As I pulled my raft out at the dock and headed home, I noticed a full moon—maybe that played a role?

It was a strange evening, especially because just a week earlier I had fished the same stretch at 5 a.m. and fish were chasing minnows everywhere.

I fish this section often, but I can't help wondering if there aren't as many fish here as there used to be,  or there is too much opressure here, or if they've moved to another part of the river due to the recent high water.

It's been driving me crazy—especially since I was hoping to put my son on some great fish that night. I'd love to hear your thoughts or ideas on what might have been going on.

Thanks so much,
Sean

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Sunday, 10 August 2025

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Fly fishing this area from boat

Hi, all. First time poster here. I recently took up fly fishing (I used to fly fish a bit, but that was 15 to 20 years ago). Anyway, I recently took a couple casting classes and have been Fly fishing from shore And a kayak in the lakes around Burke. 
I also have an 18 foot center console and was interested what kind of opportunity there was around here to fly fish with it. It doesn't have a trolling motor and would be a huge hassle to outfit it with one.
I assume there's opportunities over in Chesapeake Bay, but I was wondering if there were Opportunities in the Potomac, At least during certain periods of the year.
Would love to get people's thoughts.

For someone that's just starting again, I do have access to several rods. 4, 5, 7, and 12.

Thanks,

Craig

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Saturday, 9 August 2025

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Beer Tie on Monday, August 11

Yes, Rob, Snowhite will be tying a hellgrammite (the dobson fly larvae) at a different table, which is an easy tie and super effective on smallies. 

On Friday, August 8, 2025 at 2:08:00 PM UTC-4 HermanyorFlorida wrote:
Eliot -
They have had this at Beer Tie in the past, but, I don't know if this tying instructor will have spare materials and a vise for guest use.    If you wanted to buy the materials yourself (and well, the vise too) either District Angling or the Orvis stores in Tysons or Leesburg should have them or something close enough.

- Herman

On Wednesday, August 6, 2025 at 10:42:41 AM UTC-4 Eliot Waxman wrote:
Owen,
I'm new to this and never tied a fly before, although I did attend and watch in July. Is this something that will be accessible to me? If so, how do I acquire the materials?  I understand if this is too advanced. Thanks in advance for your assistance.
Eliot Waxman

On Tue, Aug 5, 2025 at 7:10 PM Owen Williams <eowill...@gmail.com> wrote:
Join Brian Bennett of Vice Fishing Co on Monday, August 11, at 7PM at Colony Grill in Arlington for the @tidalpotomacflyrodders beer tie to learn how to tie the OBX Shrimp.

Materials:

● Ahrex SA250 Saltwater Shrimp Hook (size 2 or 4)
● Medium Brass Dumbbell or Bead Chain Eyes
● Ultra Thread 210
● Extra Select Craft Fur
● Krystal Flash
● Sili Legs or Marsh Legs
● Flat Diamond Braid
● Ice Dubbing
● Arctic Fox Tail Hair
● Hard Mono

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Friday, 8 August 2025

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Beer Tie on Monday, August 11

Eliot -
They have had this at Beer Tie in the past, but, I don't know if this tying instructor will have spare materials and a vise for guest use.    If you wanted to buy the materials yourself (and well, the vise too) either District Angling or the Orvis stores in Tysons or Leesburg should have them or something close enough.

- Herman

On Wednesday, August 6, 2025 at 10:42:41 AM UTC-4 Eliot Waxman wrote:
Owen,
I'm new to this and never tied a fly before, although I did attend and watch in July. Is this something that will be accessible to me? If so, how do I acquire the materials?  I understand if this is too advanced. Thanks in advance for your assistance.
Eliot Waxman

On Tue, Aug 5, 2025 at 7:10 PM Owen Williams <eowill...@gmail.com> wrote:
Join Brian Bennett of Vice Fishing Co on Monday, August 11, at 7PM at Colony Grill in Arlington for the @tidalpotomacflyrodders beer tie to learn how to tie the OBX Shrimp.

Materials:

● Ahrex SA250 Saltwater Shrimp Hook (size 2 or 4)
● Medium Brass Dumbbell or Bead Chain Eyes
● Ultra Thread 210
● Extra Select Craft Fur
● Krystal Flash
● Sili Legs or Marsh Legs
● Flat Diamond Braid
● Ice Dubbing
● Arctic Fox Tail Hair
● Hard Mono

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