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Monday, 31 May 2021

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Steelheading Recommendations

If you want to fish the erie tribs in ny, look up cattaraugus creek outfitters. They have private water on the premier erie trib as well as cabins right on the river that you can rent. I believe Nick Pionessa is guiding for them. Great guy and no one more knowledgeable about swinging flies for great lakes steelhead.

If you decide to diy i would highly recommend going mid week if at all possible. Even with covid keeping the canadians out, the streams were still very crowded this year in the fall. Fall is the most crowded season but is when the fish are the hottest and is obviously a nice time of year to fish.

On Monday, May 31, 2021 at 7:17:49 AM UTC-4 willia...@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks, all! All signed up for the Zoom meeting. Erie looks like the best place to get started.

-Will

On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 12:59:57 PM UTC Carl wrote:
Great Lakes steelheading is primarily a fall activity (There are some spring opportunities, but fall is more dependable). There are great runs in Michigan, but from DC, your best bets are Erie or Ontario runs. The Erie season seems to be about mid-October til the streams freeze over. I've gone fishing in December and been breaking through ice when wading and was still able to catch some fish out of the faster/deeper holes.

The TU presentation should be great and Steelhead Alley has some great guides. I don't know of anyone who has been disappointed by them.

Fishing for Erie steelhead is great. The streams are small, maybe 30 ft across in places. It is primarily nymphing in these smaller streams, but you can swing streamers.

The only thing I would warn you about is that the run is highly weather dependent. Too little rain and the fish stay in the lake or just hunker down in a few holes. Too much and the wader becomes unfishable. But the shale bottom streams clear up fast. One the streams were up and high my first day, and on the second day, they reached good flow at about 2pm, after the water steadily dropped all day. Once the water dropped to the right level, the fish started to turn on.

Carl

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On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 12:30 PM William Hea <willia...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, all! Thank you in advance for your help!

My girlfriend and I have been doing a lot of trips in Western MD and Central PA for wild trout and having a blast. We'd like to start targeting some bigger fish and would love to give steelhead a try.

Any recommendations for where/when to go to get started on steelhead for a road trip? I'd prefer to drive rather than fly. If there are any guides you recommend we'd be all ears.

-Will

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Rose River

PSA: the brook trout season is IMO probably over unless you go waaaay the fuck into the mountains or to the one brookie stream in MD that I strongly suspect is basically a mountain limestoner, but for future reference the park streams have some fairly big fish if you know where to look and are willing to be a bit more careful about hatches.

On Monday, May 31, 2021 at 11:05:02 PM UTC-4 Doug Graebner wrote:

Nice-that's a good sized brookie! I got a bit too into brookie fishing this spring, but mostly in the southern end of the park b/c it's closer to where I go to school in Charlottesville.

On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 7:01:16 PM UTC-4 brad dreisbach wrote:
also where i caught my first trout. have been fishing it quite a bit this spring and have caught probably 100 trout there(40ish last weekend).

On May 14, 2021, at 06:18, Danny Barrett <dannyt...@gmail.com> wrote:

Deff the Rapidan. IMO best river in that area, always make a point to fish it when im back seeing parents. But its where some of my first trout were and first flies i tied myself worked. might be bias. i always carry 2 rods in there. 1 weight with a bigger dry like size 12 and a 20s simple emerger. 3 or 4 weight with an indicator and a greenie weenie (or prince) and a zebra midge. for me its about covering ground. 4-5 casts each rod in a run and i'm moving on. those fish arent very smart but will spook easily. if i hook 1 in a pool, i move on.

as mentioned the road is rough. i get my subi in there but it has a metal skid plate and i know i have scrapes on it.

Thanks,

Dan

On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 12:11 PM Paul Sarigianis <psa...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,

I'm taking the family to stay at Rose River farms cabins for the weekend but did not pay the fee to fish on its section of the river. I was wondering if you'd recommend exploring the Robinson where it meets the Rose, or any other rivers (Hughes?) within 30min or so. Any advice you experts have is greatly appreciated. We are all fairly new to flyfishing but excited to keep trying. Thanks very much.

Respectfully,
Paul

On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:26 AM, N Elgas <caca...@gmail.com> wrote:

That sounds like a good plan, there is a cut off the fire trail that about 1/2 mile up which is a good starting point to find them.

On Friday, May 31, 2019 at 5:10:06 PM UTC-4, Paul Sarigianis wrote:
Hi guys,

I am planning on taking my dad and son to the Rose River tomorrow and was wondering if you have any advice, since it will be our first time. Our plan is to park at the trailhead and walk up the fire road about a mile and find some pools, hopefully with a few brookies. Are there any restrictions I need to be aware of? Thanks for your help.

Paul

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Rose River

Nice-that's a good sized brookie! I got a bit too into brookie fishing this spring, but mostly in the southern end of the park b/c it's closer to where I go to school in Charlottesville.

On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 7:01:16 PM UTC-4 brad dreisbach wrote:

also where i caught my first trout. have been fishing it quite a bit this spring and have caught probably 100 trout there(40ish last weekend).

On May 14, 2021, at 06:18, Danny Barrett <dannyt...@gmail.com> wrote:

Deff the Rapidan. IMO best river in that area, always make a point to fish it when im back seeing parents. But its where some of my first trout were and first flies i tied myself worked. might be bias. i always carry 2 rods in there. 1 weight with a bigger dry like size 12 and a 20s simple emerger. 3 or 4 weight with an indicator and a greenie weenie (or prince) and a zebra midge. for me its about covering ground. 4-5 casts each rod in a run and i'm moving on. those fish arent very smart but will spook easily. if i hook 1 in a pool, i move on.

as mentioned the road is rough. i get my subi in there but it has a metal skid plate and i know i have scrapes on it.

Thanks,

Dan

On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 12:11 PM Paul Sarigianis <psa...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,

I'm taking the family to stay at Rose River farms cabins for the weekend but did not pay the fee to fish on its section of the river. I was wondering if you'd recommend exploring the Robinson where it meets the Rose, or any other rivers (Hughes?) within 30min or so. Any advice you experts have is greatly appreciated. We are all fairly new to flyfishing but excited to keep trying. Thanks very much.

Respectfully,
Paul

On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:26 AM, N Elgas <caca...@gmail.com> wrote:

That sounds like a good plan, there is a cut off the fire trail that about 1/2 mile up which is a good starting point to find them.

On Friday, May 31, 2019 at 5:10:06 PM UTC-4, Paul Sarigianis wrote:
Hi guys,

I am planning on taking my dad and son to the Rose River tomorrow and was wondering if you have any advice, since it will be our first time. Our plan is to park at the trailhead and walk up the fire road about a mile and find some pools, hopefully with a few brookies. Are there any restrictions I need to be aware of? Thanks for your help.

Paul

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Bass Fishing Getting Going

RE: potomac wading, I used to do Violette's Lock and Pennyfield Lock late in summer at dusk when the water was low enough, but pay extremely close attention to the gauge.

On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 9:33:12 PM UTC-4 jbro...@gmail.com wrote:

REI carries Sawyers spray to treat your own clothes. It is Permethrin, too.

On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 5:46:08 PM UTC-4 namfos wrote:
Thanx!

On Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 5:44:20 PM UTC-4 eowill...@gmail.com wrote:
Further on namfos's post, here is a site for Permethrin clothing and spray to treat your stuff: https://www.insectshield.com/

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: It has begun

(puts on trout bum hat) so it's like they basically only key in on the spinner fall?

On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 11:29:08 AM UTC-4 Electriclight wrote:

I believe the life cycle plays into it. They emerge and climb skyward to meet and mate. During this time there are some casualties - a few fall on their backs and can't get up, some fly into a puddle, birds hunt them down, and eventually even the squirrels get in the act. But it's after mating that the mass dying spree occurs. It's likely that is when the fish get clued into the great buffet. I do remember when I was a kid, we floated down the Conodoquinet Creek in Pennsylvania and caught smallmouth bass, cast after cast, non-stop for hours, using cicadas.

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Tidal Basin this past Saturday morning. In my other thread you can read I was skunked...fish were interested in other things. A few Cicadas fell in the water. First one the ducks munched down, second the birds swooped in and plucked them from the water....then I just sat there with my coffee and fly rod put away...floating down the basin wall....for a long time before some little fish started pecking at it, then finally took it down for good. Not many fell from the trees the entire time I was there.

Collin

On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 8:13:02 PM UTC-4 meat...@gmail.com wrote:

I went down to the canal on Sunday to see if Cicadas are actually the Magical bug that everyone is hyping up. Feel free to see my results & don't judge.... I put live cicadas on a hook to see if they actually did attract fish & I actually feel slightly liberated by doing so.

https://youtu.be/rwUWA8UGSdk

On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 7:42 AM tperkins <thomas....@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday I explored a section of the canal, and while you could hear plenty of cicadas, none were visible on the canal itself, let alone falling in the water. Hoping that changes soon!

On Sunday, May 23, 2021 at 10:40:44 AM UTC-4 jkg...@gmail.com wrote:

To all:

I live in Sterling, VA, and the cicadas are finally out in big numbers out here. When I went out my door this morning, I was surprised at just how loud it is. And there are plenty flying around in their clumsy fashion. So my plan is to try for bass and carp on the Potomac River this week after work. I'm thinking of checking out Riverbend Park and/or Algonkian (although I'm worried about possibly low water levels at Algonkian). There are plenty of places where the trees overhang the water.

My plan is to use a 9wt rod with a floating line with a 60lbs. butt section, 30lbs mid-section and 20lbs tippet. While that's probably over-gunned for smallies, I'm hoping to hook up with some big carp. I have some Chuck Kraft cicada bugs I got from William Heresniak that I plan on using. Plus some others that friends of mine tied up.

Good luck and let us know how folks do. This will be a learning experience for me.

Jamie

On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 1:03:39 PM UTC-4 brad dreisbach wrote:

i fished dyke marsh this morning(first time). wow there was ALOT of what i assume to be snakehead action. they seemed to be everywhere. i didnt get one but i did get a nice bass on a diver. what are some good snakehead flies?

On May 20, 2021, at 15:45, 'Jeff Cook' via Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders <tidal-potoma...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

FYI, I just learned the new park concessionaire at Belle Haven has decided to lock the bathrooms near the boat launch to non-paying "customers", so Dyke Marsh would be affected.

MOn May 20, 2021, at 3:22 PM, Adam Harris <adaml...@gmail.com> wrote:

Very interesting. I'm not sure enough cicadas have emerged yet to really get the action going. They're out in our neighborhood, but not the crazy numbers so far. Was thinking of trying out Dyke Marsh this weekend with one of your fine cicada flies.

On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 2:52:50 PM UTC-4 r...@robsnowhite.com wrote:

Just walked in the door from fishing a cicada for the first time. Haven't fished them in the past. Plants along the shore were covered in bugs and shells but very few flying and none ending up in the water. Bugs were louder near denser woods. Water was low and kinda gross. Shallows had sunfishes on beds.

Bluegill would bump it, chase it, and bite it t but nothing got hooked. One largemouth swam up to the fly, opened its mouth, and turned away. The first two snakeheads didn't acknowledge the fly.

The third snakehead was the highlight of the day. The fish was swimming at the surface (thought it was a grass carp at first) about 10 feet off shore. I would run ahead and land my fly in front or to the side of where the fish was headed. My eyes focused on the fish I nearly rolled my ankle and back cast into several trees.

I continued this for several hundred feet-running ahead to an opening, casting, run etc. The fish would stop and pause when the fly landed and turned once to look at it and would start swimming again. After several attempts at this the fish finally stopped and inspected the fly up close. A few bubbles came out of its mouth when it bumped the fly. I wobbled the fly and the fish looked at it for a moment then kept going. Thought I was going to have a heart attack. Then I lost view of the fish under a sunken tree. That may have been one of the coolest fishing experiences I've had.

On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 10:11:48 AM UTC-4 jkg...@gmail.com wrote:

Charlie

Thanks for posting that link. I attended that talk and it was excellent.

Jamie

On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 9:39 AM Fly Fish <cagl...@gmail.com> wrote:

https://youtu.be/LFiNJuVAYyU

The Shenandoah River Keeper just hosted a talk on brood x fishing . It was informative.

Everyone on this TPFR listserve should join/donate to the Potomac/Shenandoah River Keeper- it's one organization focused on protecting your home water.

Charlie

On Thu, May 20, 2021, 09:23 Daniel Henkelman <henke...@gmail.com> wrote:

Does anyone have any tips or techniques for fishing the brood X hatch from previous experience? Timing, locations, best target species, etc.?

I have a handful of cicada patterns tied up and am waiting for the right time to put them to use. I'd imagine smallmouth and largemouth bass would be the best target species once the hatch really starts getting going, maybe in the Tidal Basin, Seneca Creek or the C&O Canal? I'm also thinking a hopper-dropper-type rig would be effective.

Just looking for some advice, since I'm still new to fishing in the area.

On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 8:29:02 AM UTC-4 TinyTrout wrote:

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: It has begun

Cicadas or not, this is the best time for bass and bluegill fishing.

spawn, post-spawn. The water is warm enough for them to be active,

All the bugs are out, giving them a good food supply, and the water is cool enough that they still have a lot of oxygen.

Carl

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On Mon, May 31, 2021 at 8:03 AM Dalton Terrell <daltonbterrell@gmail.com> wrote:

I've given it a go in my neighborhood the last couple days, Campo has trained our fish but the bluegills are certainly taking naturals and artificials now. All fish caught had bulging stomachs.

Dalton

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: It has begun

I've given it a go in my neighborhood the last couple days, Campo has trained our fish but the bluegills are certainly taking naturals and artificials now. All fish caught had bulging stomachs.

Dalton

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Steelheading Recommendations

Thanks, all! All signed up for the Zoom meeting. Erie looks like the best place to get started.

-Will

On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 12:59:57 PM UTC Carl wrote:

Great Lakes steelheading is primarily a fall activity (There are some spring opportunities, but fall is more dependable). There are great runs in Michigan, but from DC, your best bets are Erie or Ontario runs. The Erie season seems to be about mid-October til the streams freeze over. I've gone fishing in December and been breaking through ice when wading and was still able to catch some fish out of the faster/deeper holes.

The TU presentation should be great and Steelhead Alley has some great guides. I don't know of anyone who has been disappointed by them.

Fishing for Erie steelhead is great. The streams are small, maybe 30 ft across in places. It is primarily nymphing in these smaller streams, but you can swing streamers.

The only thing I would warn you about is that the run is highly weather dependent. Too little rain and the fish stay in the lake or just hunker down in a few holes. Too much and the wader becomes unfishable. But the shale bottom streams clear up fast. One the streams were up and high my first day, and on the second day, they reached good flow at about 2pm, after the water steadily dropped all day. Once the water dropped to the right level, the fish started to turn on.

Carl

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On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 12:30 PM William Hea <willia...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, all! Thank you in advance for your help!

My girlfriend and I have been doing a lot of trips in Western MD and Central PA for wild trout and having a blast. We'd like to start targeting some bigger fish and would love to give steelhead a try.

Any recommendations for where/when to go to get started on steelhead for a road trip? I'd prefer to drive rather than fly. If there are any guides you recommend we'd be all ears.

-Will

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Sunday, 30 May 2021

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Steelheading Recommendations

Great Lakes steelheading is primarily a fall activity (There are some spring opportunities, but fall is more dependable). There are great runs in Michigan, but from DC, your best bets are Erie or Ontario runs. The Erie season seems to be about mid-October til the streams freeze over. I've gone fishing in December and been breaking through ice when wading and was still able to catch some fish out of the faster/deeper holes.

The TU presentation should be great and Steelhead Alley has some great guides. I don't know of anyone who has been disappointed by them.

Fishing for Erie steelhead is great. The streams are small, maybe 30 ft across in places. It is primarily nymphing in these smaller streams, but you can swing streamers.

The only thing I would warn you about is that the run is highly weather dependent. Too little rain and the fish stay in the lake or just hunker down in a few holes. Too much and the wader becomes unfishable. But the shale bottom streams clear up fast. One the streams were up and high my first day, and on the second day, they reached good flow at about 2pm, after the water steadily dropped all day. Once the water dropped to the right level, the fish started to turn on.

Carl

Carl Zmola

On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 12:30 PM William Hea <william.b.hea@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi, all! Thank you in advance for your help!

My girlfriend and I have been doing a lot of trips in Western MD and Central PA for wild trout and having a blast. We'd like to start targeting some bigger fish and would love to give steelhead a try.

Any recommendations for where/when to go to get started on steelhead for a road trip? I'd prefer to drive rather than fly. If there are any guides you recommend we'd be all ears.

-Will

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Wade Rod Co.

Haha I think ill take you up on that. I was going through the list of manufacturers on his site. Its pretty comprehensive. Good heavens.

On Thu, May 27, 2021, 8:11 PM Richard Farino <rfarino@gmail.com> wrote:

We're out of the Butterstick. The only one we've been stocking is the 476-4. I was also going to suggest calling Cameron. You can drop my name personally – Cam and I are buddies, and his site is stellar.

Regards,

R

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Date: Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 7:52 PM
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Subject: Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Wade Rod Co.

Check out the fiberglass manifesto. Cameron has a lending library and you might be able to try before you buy.
Cheers,

-- Greg

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On May 27, 2021, at 3:56 PM, Ryan DiAndrea <ryan.diandrea@gmail.com> wrote:

Ah ya I forgot about the Butter Stick. I might check that out. I'm not trying to go super cheap. I was thinking about the $200-$300 range.

On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 2:21 PM tperkins <thomas.perkins1@gmail.com> wrote:
No experience with Wade Co. But I think District Angling normally has a couple of Butter Sticks in stock and they have a decent price point, i have a 3wt that i just love. But if you want to go real cheap try a Eagle Claw Featherlight. They are like $40 and a lot of fun. Also the Cabelas CGRs are pretty cheap.

if you haven't already check out thefiberglassmanifesto.com

On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 12:41:01 PM UTC-4 Ryan D wrote:
Any one have any experience with Wade rods? I've been curious about glass lately but i'm not looking to spend $500+ on another rod (yet).

I can't tell if these are actually good rods or if they just have fancy marketing.

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Saturday, 29 May 2021

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Wade Rod Co.

I bought a 7.5 foot 4 wt Eagle Claw a couple of months ago at Sportsmans Warehouse for about 33 bucks - great fun to fish with!

Mark

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Steelheading Recommendations

My buddy Mike Deyo lives in Altmar on the Salmon River. He has a drift boat if you want to get away from others.

Look up 'Dirty Bills Guide Service'.

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On May 29, 2021, at 12:09 PM, Daniel Lazenby <dlazenby4@gmail.com> wrote:

Will,
You may want to check out NVATU's June General Membership Meeting. SAO is presenting at our June meeting.
Below is the announcement

To participate in the meeting you must register by clicking here. After registering, you will receive a confirmation email containing your meeting invitation.
Justin Schillaci, owner of Steelhead Alley Outfitters,(www.steelheadalleyoutfitters.com), and Dustin White, one of SAO's top guides, will talk everything about steelhead fishing at the June 3 chapter meeting.
If you've never ventured north in the fall to fish for LakeErie steelhead as they migrate up the Pennsylvania streams – or if it's been too long – don't miss this meeting. These experts will talk about gear, flies, lodging, where to go, and just as important, where not to go. It can get ugly crowded on some creek entrances with spin anglers standing and sitting cheek to jowl.
Bookings for the fall/winter runs can fill up quickly, so if you want to get a head start, reach SAO at 1-888-453-5899.
Hope to see you there.
Daniel

On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 12:31 PM William Hea <william.b.hea@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, all! Thank you in advance for your help!

My girlfriend and I have been doing a lot of trips in Western MD and Central PA for wild trout and having a blast. We'd like to start targeting some bigger fish and would love to give steelhead a try.

Any recommendations for where/when to go to get started on steelhead for a road trip? I'd prefer to drive rather than fly. If there are any guides you recommend we'd be all ears.

-Will

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