Friday, 2 October 2020

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} One Rod Available for Rose River Farm Tomorrow

Hey everyone! I booked five rods for tomorrow but had someone drop out at the last minute. First-person to get back to me gets it.  The $95 dollar fee can be sent via PayPal or Venmo.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Fall Trout Water within 2 hours of the DMV?

Does anyone have any recommendations for finding decent Trout waters within a couple hours of the DMV during October?

For the group, I went up to Gunpowder yesterday, 10/1/20 and the flow is so low the fish are really spooked and many areas are borderline unfishable due to the low water level. I started my day at Big Hunting Creek MD in Catoctin Park and I didn't even cast a line after I saw how low the water level is currently. I knew the water would be low based on NGS charts but, it was even worse than expected. I'm not really interested in targeting Sunfish, Chubs, or Smallmouths but, I would like to find some "bigger water" where I can actually cast a 4-5 weight to some receptive Trout. Any suggestions?

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Thursday, 1 October 2020

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Recommended lines for Orvis Access 6wt?

My two cents.  Tip flex/fast action rods should do better with a shorter head.  I recommend you head to District Angling and pick up a Titan floating line for starters. 

The 6 wt Titan will give you 210 grains in the first 30 feet and should be optimal for that rod.  I have a 6wt Douglas Sky which should be very similar to what you have and the combination of fast action and the Titan is butter.

I believe optimal size fly for this setup is size 2 poppers and streamers.



On Thu, Oct 1, 2020, 11:27 AM Josh Cohn <joshccohn404@gmail.com> wrote:
See if you can find out how many grains its rated for and go by that instead of having to guess off generic line WT's, which often vary by brand.

On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 12:32:54 AM UTC-4 willia...@gmail.com wrote:
I have an Orvis Access 6 wt  fast tip flex I purchased a few years ago and I have a love/hate relationship with the rod. It fun to cast with a skagit head, but the Clearwater 6 wt fly line I have on it feels like casting a broom. I've toyed around with an old 7/8 wt line I have around and that's a little better.

In an ideal world, this would be my bass and streamer rod for trout, but I frankly don't enjoy fishing it without the skagit head at this point.

I'm not sure if anyone has experience with the Access rods (they don't seem that fondly remembered on the interwebs) but if there's a good line pairing or recommendation for consistency I'd love to try and get some life out of it.
-Will

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Recommended lines for Orvis Access 6wt?

Bro those Rio Gold lines are solid all arounders, took one from Montana Cutthroat to Charleston Reds with quite a few Potomac Smallies inbetween on a 6/7 set up.

& those trident shootout articles were my bible when I was rounding out the quiver, unrreal amount of good info in them.

On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 11:59:12 AM UTC-4 James M. wrote:
Definitely agree with Josh - weights, tapers, and head construction vary significantly by manufacturer and type of line, and aren't always what they seem.  For example: you would think the Orvis superfine lines would be a bit underweight to allow for lighter presentation on the slower glass and carbon rods.  Nope.  They're actually more than a full weight heavier, if I remember correctly (see citation below).  I know this because I was going to put it on my 6.5'3wt Scott F2 because I loved it on my Superfine Glass 7'3wt.  I went with a RIO gold, and it is outstanding for that rod.  The superfine line is also a key part of the magic of the superfine rods - those things are a blast and the line contributes significantly to that feel.

Trident did a line shootout a few years back, which is where I found out about this.  This is probably old hat now, but might still be helpful.


With all that said, let me throw in an unorthodox recommendation: I honestly think it might be worth trying out the Superfine line for your Access.  It shoots great, and the presentation isn't even close to what you'd think a heavily overlined finesse line should be.  It's pretty delicate and nice, and doesn't feel quite as heavy as other overlined lines like RIO outbound or some of the heavier SA lines.

Tight lines and have fun

- J

On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 11:27 AM Josh Cohn <joshcc...@gmail.com> wrote:
See if you can find out how many grains its rated for and go by that instead of having to guess off generic line WT's, which often vary by brand.

On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 12:32:54 AM UTC-4 willia...@gmail.com wrote:
I have an Orvis Access 6 wt  fast tip flex I purchased a few years ago and I have a love/hate relationship with the rod. It fun to cast with a skagit head, but the Clearwater 6 wt fly line I have on it feels like casting a broom. I've toyed around with an old 7/8 wt line I have around and that's a little better.

In an ideal world, this would be my bass and streamer rod for trout, but I frankly don't enjoy fishing it without the skagit head at this point.

I'm not sure if anyone has experience with the Access rods (they don't seem that fondly remembered on the interwebs) but if there's a good line pairing or recommendation for consistency I'd love to try and get some life out of it.
-Will

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Recommended lines for Orvis Access 6wt?

Definitely agree with Josh - weights, tapers, and head construction vary significantly by manufacturer and type of line, and aren't always what they seem.  For example: you would think the Orvis superfine lines would be a bit underweight to allow for lighter presentation on the slower glass and carbon rods.  Nope.  They're actually more than a full weight heavier, if I remember correctly (see citation below).  I know this because I was going to put it on my 6.5'3wt Scott F2 because I loved it on my Superfine Glass 7'3wt.  I went with a RIO gold, and it is outstanding for that rod.  The superfine line is also a key part of the magic of the superfine rods - those things are a blast and the line contributes significantly to that feel.

Trident did a line shootout a few years back, which is where I found out about this.  This is probably old hat now, but might still be helpful.


With all that said, let me throw in an unorthodox recommendation: I honestly think it might be worth trying out the Superfine line for your Access.  It shoots great, and the presentation isn't even close to what you'd think a heavily overlined finesse line should be.  It's pretty delicate and nice, and doesn't feel quite as heavy as other overlined lines like RIO outbound or some of the heavier SA lines.

Tight lines and have fun

- J

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See if you can find out how many grains its rated for and go by that instead of having to guess off generic line WT's, which often vary by brand.

On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 12:32:54 AM UTC-4 willia...@gmail.com wrote:
I have an Orvis Access 6 wt  fast tip flex I purchased a few years ago and I have a love/hate relationship with the rod. It fun to cast with a skagit head, but the Clearwater 6 wt fly line I have on it feels like casting a broom. I've toyed around with an old 7/8 wt line I have around and that's a little better.

In an ideal world, this would be my bass and streamer rod for trout, but I frankly don't enjoy fishing it without the skagit head at this point.

I'm not sure if anyone has experience with the Access rods (they don't seem that fondly remembered on the interwebs) but if there's a good line pairing or recommendation for consistency I'd love to try and get some life out of it.
-Will

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Recommended lines for Orvis Access 6wt?

See if you can find out how many grains its rated for and go by that instead of having to guess off generic line WT's, which often vary by brand.

On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 12:32:54 AM UTC-4 willia...@gmail.com wrote:
I have an Orvis Access 6 wt  fast tip flex I purchased a few years ago and I have a love/hate relationship with the rod. It fun to cast with a skagit head, but the Clearwater 6 wt fly line I have on it feels like casting a broom. I've toyed around with an old 7/8 wt line I have around and that's a little better.

In an ideal world, this would be my bass and streamer rod for trout, but I frankly don't enjoy fishing it without the skagit head at this point.

I'm not sure if anyone has experience with the Access rods (they don't seem that fondly remembered on the interwebs) but if there's a good line pairing or recommendation for consistency I'd love to try and get some life out of it.
-Will

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Fly Fishing Islamorada

I simply said i disagreed with your post which i then corrected after I read it more closely.  You sound overly sensitive and may have issues with reading comprehension considering I never said there were not guides down there that fly fish.  There are likely hundreds of guides that fly fish in the keys.  There are also guides down there that do not fly fish but will take someone fly fishing.  I was simply suggesting that he would be better doing his research and not getting one of those guides.  

If i was going to pay $800 a day to fish down there, I would want to be sure that the guide is a fly fisherman, not just some random bait guide who "can put you on fish".   There are both operating out of Bud n marys.  

i was never questioning whether or not you personally fly fish.   

On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 1:07:38 AM UTC-4 Zman wrote:

Yambag,

My second and last post.  Don't knock someone for trying to help someone out. I'm a avid fly fisherman.  Maybe you started on bait, but I've been throwing a fly since I was 6 years old.  Started on native trout in northern Pennsylvania. I'm well into my 50's and have fished around the world.  I tie and make my own rods.  Been fishing the Keys well over 20 years.  I've caught tarpon, reds, snook, bonefish and multiple other gamefish until my hands have bled.  In fact, I don't fish that area so much anymore because it's like shooting fish in a barrel.  Just because you post a lot doesn't make you the "specialist".  Do some research, there's plenty of guides down there that fly fish.  I don't camp anymore, but I stay at lodging around $100 a night and usually can walk or drive less than a mile drive to meet the Captain.   Sounds like you're the source... so hook him up and I'll go back to my rod building. 

Tight lines!


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On Sep 30, 2020, at 23:39, Yambag Nelson <northstreet...@gmail.com> wrote:

To clarify my last post because i think i may have misinterpreted the previous post, a large percentage of guides are not fly fishing only.  Those guys can still be very good assuming they are fly fishermen themselves.  The economics are such that they have to take people who want to bait fish if they want to make a living.   

The issue is there are guides who primarily bait fish but will take a fly fisherman out.  Those are the guides I would avoid.  

On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 11:17:40 PM UTC-4 Yambag Nelson wrote:
I go to the keys almost every year, sometimes twice a year and have done so for the last 15 years.  Islamorada has the most options for lodging and is where the most guides are based out of, but there are plenty of options for both everywhere between key largo and key west.  Personally i usually stay in islamorada but the last few years have stayed at the courtyard marriott in marathon which is a very nice courtyard.  I have also camped at long key state park a bunch which is a great place to camp with a wadeable flat that used to often have bonefish in the mornings on the right tide.  

I'm going to disagree with the last post.  There are guides in the keys who will take you fly fishing but have never caught a bonefish or tarpon on a fly.  Do you really want to pay $700-$800 plus tip for a guy that has never done what you are trying to do?  You really should look for a fly fishing guide.  

The bonefishing around islamorada is improving over where it was a few years ago, but it is still a tough go.  The time of year you are going can be particularly tough as any type of cold weather will result in no bonefish on the flats.  Honestly, that is pretty much the worst time of year to go if bonefish are your target.  Personally if you are dead set on that timeframe i would look to the everglades (thats where most guides will probably push you unless they don't want to make the run) or look more towards the lower keys/key west.   The everglades will be redfish, snook ect rather than bones though.  IF you happen to get a few days of warm weather and no wind in february, tarpon can show up in the backcountry around islamorada.  

I don't have a recommendation for a guide.  My longtime guide retired at the end of 2018.  i have a few days booked with randy stallings this may for tarpon.  Based on phone conversations he seems very honest and upfront but I have yet to fish with him.  i have never fished with any of the guides out of florida keys outfitters but if you can't get a good recommendation i would feel safe getting a guide from them.  Regardless they are probably worth a call just to get a feel for what the fishing will be like the months you are going. 

On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 12:28:56 PM UTC-4 Zman wrote:
Recommend contact Bud n Mary's.  They have reasonable lodging for fishermen and a cast of guides.  Recommend back country fishing in the glades.  You'll have to shop around if you want a fly fishing only guide, but all of the guides there will put you on fish.  Look up Capt Jim Willcox at ultimatekeysfishing.com I've fished with him several times and always came home worn out and sore.  Best day of hard work!

Dan

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On Sep 30, 2020, at 11:16, Jimmy Boehling <jimmyb...@gmail.com> wrote:


Hi all,

I am hoping to plan a trip to Islamorada for a father-son guided fishing trip.  We are aiming for January - February.  Wanted to see if anybody could recommend a good lodge or guide for bonefishing (and whatever else might be targetable) in Islamorada...

I am also not 100% committed to Islamorada, but this is just a spot I have been recommended to go.  Anywhere in the Keys really is where we are looking to go. 

Any pointers would be much appreciated. 

-Jimmy

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