Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders

Tuesday, 6 June 2017

RE: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} C&O Canal

Cool. Happy to join you

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Sent: Monday, June 05, 2017 9:57 PM
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Subject: Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} C&O Canal

Marek,

Thanks for the info. I might have to see about heading out for a day on that stretch.

Trevor

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On Jun 5, 2017, at 09:21, Marek Rich <mrich@ScheerPartners.com> wrote:

There are loads of smallies in Widewater, but man they are finicky. A few weeks back they were guarding their fry and easily saw 10-15 monsters (3-5lbs). I think they are now deep and difficult to tease to the fly. I did see some evidence of dragonflies, so the top water bite on the Potomac should heat up over the next few weeks.

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Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2017 11:32 AM
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Subject: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} C&O Canal

Just in case anyone was like me and looking for water condition status in the canal. I went out yesterday and parked at Carderock Recreation area. Found one little pool of water just up the path from the parking lot that held 4-5, maybe more carp rooting in the mud. Only managed one on the fly, but that is really your only bet from that parking lot. The two wider sections, one downstream from Marsden and one upstream from Marsden, held a couple of carp, but due to rod limitations/backcast issues, I couldn't reach where they were feeding. I'm sure if I spent more time there, they would have come into range, but I wanted to check out more of the canal. That is the only fishing until you hit Wide Water above Anglers Inn. Didn't spend a lot of time fishing the lake, but the I saw a decent sized largemouth cruising the shallow near one of the rock walls but could figure out a way to get to him. Bluegill are on their beds, so left them alone.

Anyone know if there are smallies in Wide Water? I don't see why there wouldn't be.

No fish seen in any of the stretches until hitting the Great Falls Tavern. There I managed a nice 8-10 pound cat on a crayfish pattern and spooked three or four others on my way up. Lost of bluegill and small to medium sized bass in the canal on the way up. I turned around at the Maintenance Building across from Bealls Island and headed back. Plenty of water above the tavern, but very slim pickings below.

Just figured I would share with those of you who might be curious as to a good location to hit on the canal.

Trevor

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Monday, 5 June 2017

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} C&O Canal

Marek,

Thanks for the info. I might have to see about heading out for a day on that stretch.

Trevor

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On Jun 5, 2017, at 09:21, Marek Rich <mrich@ScheerPartners.com> wrote:

There are loads of smallies in Widewater, but man they are finicky. A few weeks back they were guarding their fry and easily saw 10-15 monsters (3-5lbs). I think they are now deep and difficult to tease to the fly. I did see some evidence of dragonflies, so the top water bite on the Potomac should heat up over the next few weeks.

From: tidal-potomac-fly-rodders@googlegroups.com [mailto:tidal-potomac-fly-rodders@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Trevor
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2017 11:32 AM
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Subject: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} C&O Canal

Just in case anyone was like me and looking for water condition status in the canal. I went out yesterday and parked at Carderock Recreation area. Found one little pool of water just up the path from the parking lot that held 4-5, maybe more carp rooting in the mud. Only managed one on the fly, but that is really your only bet from that parking lot. The two wider sections, one downstream from Marsden and one upstream from Marsden, held a couple of carp, but due to rod limitations/backcast issues, I couldn't reach where they were feeding. I'm sure if I spent more time there, they would have come into range, but I wanted to check out more of the canal. That is the only fishing until you hit Wide Water above Anglers Inn. Didn't spend a lot of time fishing the lake, but the I saw a decent sized largemouth cruising the shallow near one of the rock walls but could figure out a way to get to him. Bluegill are on their beds, so left them alone.

Anyone know if there are smallies in Wide Water? I don't see why there wouldn't be.

No fish seen in any of the stretches until hitting the Great Falls Tavern. There I managed a nice 8-10 pound cat on a crayfish pattern and spooked three or four others on my way up. Lost of bluegill and small to medium sized bass in the canal on the way up. I turned around at the Maintenance Building across from Bealls Island and headed back. Plenty of water above the tavern, but very slim pickings below.

Just figured I would share with those of you who might be curious as to a good location to hit on the canal.

Trevor

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Spey line for overhead casting in the surf

Matt,

An intermediate skagit head with an intermediate tip may eliminate the. Rad for a sink tip all together.

Art

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On Jun 5, 2017, at 3:51 PM, arthur.noglak@gmail.com wrote:

Matt,

The answer might be a Rio MOW tip or SA Skagit Tip.

Because they have additional mass, they may allow the energy from the cast to dissipate differently.

Also, if the trajectory of that 80 to 100ft cast is to high, the line will always fall with a bunch of slack.

Because the skagit is so short and heavy, and has little to no rear taper, overhead casting will only allow a small amount of over hang on the back cast.

If your hitting that distance consistently, I think you just need to fine tune your delivery stroke on the forward cast, and play around with different tips.

Cheers,

Art

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On Jun 5, 2017, at 1:22 PM, Matthew Longley <matthew.longley@gmail.com> wrote:

I recently added a Clearwater 13ft 7wt to my quiver, and have found Spey casting to be a ton of fun. I have a 520gr Skagit Extreme head backed up by a 100ft shooting line, and feel really comfortable with my timing in fast current, but overhead casting has me stumped.

Because the difference between the head and the shooting line is so extreme, I haven't really figured out how to false cast without the back of the head in the guides, so I'm overpowering my cast to try and shoot as much as possible with only 20 feet (plus sink tip) of line out. I can cast a good amount (maybe 80-100 feet or so) but most of the time the fly, sink tip, and Skagit head land in a pile at the end of the cast. And even when it all straightens out I feel like I'm forcing it.

I don't want to suggest my technique isn't the problem (of course it is!) but I'm wondering if my line setup is working against me as well. It's a completely new outfit, and so far I only have one line rig.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Spey line for overhead casting in the surf

Matt,

The answer might be a Rio MOW tip or SA Skagit Tip.

Because they have additional mass, they may allow the energy from the cast to dissipate differently.

Also, if the trajectory of that 80 to 100ft cast is to high, the line will always fall with a bunch of slack.

Because the skagit is so short and heavy, and has little to no rear taper, overhead casting will only allow a small amount of over hang on the back cast.

If your hitting that distance consistently, I think you just need to fine tune your delivery stroke on the forward cast, and play around with different tips.

Cheers,

Art

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 5, 2017, at 1:22 PM, Matthew Longley <matthew.longley@gmail.com> wrote:

I recently added a Clearwater 13ft 7wt to my quiver, and have found Spey casting to be a ton of fun. I have a 520gr Skagit Extreme head backed up by a 100ft shooting line, and feel really comfortable with my timing in fast current, but overhead casting has me stumped.

Because the difference between the head and the shooting line is so extreme, I haven't really figured out how to false cast without the back of the head in the guides, so I'm overpowering my cast to try and shoot as much as possible with only 20 feet (plus sink tip) of line out. I can cast a good amount (maybe 80-100 feet or so) but most of the time the fly, sink tip, and Skagit head land in a pile at the end of the cast. And even when it all straightens out I feel like I'm forcing it.

I don't want to suggest my technique isn't the problem (of course it is!) but I'm wondering if my line setup is working against me as well. It's a completely new outfit, and so far I only have one line rig.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Spey line for overhead casting in the surf

I recently added a Clearwater 13ft 7wt to my quiver, and have found Spey casting to be a ton of fun. I have a 520gr Skagit Extreme head backed up by a 100ft shooting line, and feel really comfortable with my timing in fast current, but overhead casting has me stumped.

Because the difference between the head and the shooting line is so extreme, I haven't really figured out how to false cast without the back of the head in the guides, so I'm overpowering my cast to try and shoot as much as possible with only 20 feet (plus sink tip) of line out. I can cast a good amount (maybe 80-100 feet or so) but most of the time the fly, sink tip, and Skagit head land in a pile at the end of the cast. And even when it all straightens out I feel like I'm forcing it.

I don't want to suggest my technique isn't the problem (of course it is!) but I'm wondering if my line setup is working against me as well. It's a completely new outfit, and so far I only have one line rig.

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RE: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} C&O Canal

There are loads of smallies in Widewater, but man they are finicky. A few weeks back they were guarding their fry and easily saw 10-15 monsters (3-5lbs). I think they are now deep and difficult to tease to the fly. I did see some evidence of dragonflies, so the top water bite on the Potomac should heat up over the next few weeks.

From: tidal-potomac-fly-rodders@googlegroups.com [mailto:tidal-potomac-fly-rodders@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Trevor
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2017 11:32 AM
To: Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders <tidal-potomac-fly-rodders@googlegroups.com>
Subject: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} C&O Canal

Just in case anyone was like me and looking for water condition status in the canal. I went out yesterday and parked at Carderock Recreation area. Found one little pool of water just up the path from the parking lot that held 4-5, maybe more carp rooting in the mud. Only managed one on the fly, but that is really your only bet from that parking lot. The two wider sections, one downstream from Marsden and one upstream from Marsden, held a couple of carp, but due to rod limitations/backcast issues, I couldn't reach where they were feeding. I'm sure if I spent more time there, they would have come into range, but I wanted to check out more of the canal. That is the only fishing until you hit Wide Water above Anglers Inn. Didn't spend a lot of time fishing the lake, but the I saw a decent sized largemouth cruising the shallow near one of the rock walls but could figure out a way to get to him. Bluegill are on their beds, so left them alone.

Anyone know if there are smallies in Wide Water? I don't see why there wouldn't be.

No fish seen in any of the stretches until hitting the Great Falls Tavern. There I managed a nice 8-10 pound cat on a crayfish pattern and spooked three or four others on my way up. Lost of bluegill and small to medium sized bass in the canal on the way up. I turned around at the Maintenance Building across from Bealls Island and headed back. Plenty of water above the tavern, but very slim pickings below.

Just figured I would share with those of you who might be curious as to a good location to hit on the canal.

Trevor

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Sunday, 4 June 2017

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} C&O Canal

Anyone know if there are smallies in Wide Water? I don't see why there wouldn't be.

Just figured I would share with those of you who might be curious as to a good location to hit on the canal.

Trevor

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