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Wednesday, 1 March 2017

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Patterns for Strippers and Shad

Not sure if anyone else has done this. For shad on the Potomac and Rap, I throw little bass spoons on my 8 weight switch. Just your basic Walmart 3 per pack, like 1/8" long. Dirt cheap. I think the metal reflects like a small bait fish. Sink tips and a few feet of 15lb fluro. Anyone else ever have luck with these?

Thanks,

Dan Barrett

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On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 8:13 AM, Caleb <cbsimms@smcm.edu> wrote:

These sound like good recommendations for stripers, but for strippers I would probably use a rig like this

On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 7:08:40 AM UTC-5, Preston Knowles wrote:
What is the typical tippet test and line weight you prefer for these stripers?

On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 5:47:43 PM UTC-5, Rob Snowhite wrote:
Here is my current shad box. For strippers the Clouser Deep Minnow or a Double Deceiver should work. We catch stripers on shad flies regularly.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 28, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Charlie Church <charlie...@gmail.com> wrote:

Shad:
I have also done well on small clousers (size 6) where I trim the tails off behind the hooks. I would tie a bunch up in different color patterns (Blue over white, Chart over white, Orange over white, pink over white). I also would always fish two flies for them and keep swapping colors until I find what they are dialed in on. Honestly though, I think they aren't that picky. I'm more convinced the key is finding fish, getting it in front of them and presenting it well. I have seen people catch them on some pretty haggard patterns.

If you are buying from a store, I know Tommy Mattoli's patterns are pretty popular. and orvis carries them.

Stripers:
Baitfish patterns. A clouser or a deceiver is a safe bet. Stripers are targeted by so many fly anglers through out the country that searching online will turn up tons of really cool patterns people use.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} New Orleans redfish

Can you tell me any more about the carp fishing or where I can find out about it?

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Subject: Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} New Orleans redfish

The street car is also an incredibly cheap and entertaining way to move around the city. I think a 24hr pass is $2, might be as much as $4.

There is also supposed to be fantastic carp fishing right in the city if you have time to give it a shot.

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 9:35 AM, Jeffrey Silvan <jeffreysilvan@gmail.com> wrote:

Caleb, good point about getting back to the city. The flip side is if you're staying downtown, parking will be $40/night at the hotels. Sure is a heck of a lot more convenient to have a car though, plus it lets you more easily access some of the other REALLY cool areas of the city.

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 8:10 AM, Caleb <cbsimms@smcm.edu> wrote:
I also agree with that recommendation. Fished with Rocky Thickstun in January, and while I failed to link with a redfish, it couldn't be blamed on the guide. He put me on plenty of good fish. You might consider renting a car if staying in the city. When I met him at Penny's Cafe, I easily got an uber from the city but getting one back was another story. The uber ride there was like $25 bucks but the cab ride back was around $50 and the cab was truly filthy inside.

On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 1:54:22 PM UTC-5, Marek wrote:

Diddo Greg Moon. That guy is so dialed in down there. Very impressive guide and a fun guy to hang with.

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I highly recommend Greg Moon from Louisiana Fly Fishing Charters. I fish with him all the time down there. You typically meet him at Penny's Cafe, which isn't terribly far away from NOLA proper (30 minutes), so you can even take a cab there and ride to the put in with him. If he's unavailable, he'll recommend either Rocky Thickstun or Lucas Bisset. All of them are awesome, and they'll always be working together anyway to figure out best methods for the day if things are tough. It's almost like you have three guides working for you!

I haven't fished early June (only summer fishing was in July), but I believe that's when conditions typically stabilize and while you probably won't run into any 50-fish days like you would in October, but you shouldn't have a 80% chance of getting rained/blown out. Summer typically has very consistent, excellent fishing.

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 10:14 AM, 'Art Friedlander' via Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders <tidal-potoma...@googlegroups. com> wrote:

Looking for recommendations regarding fishing for redfish. Will be in New Orleans first week of June and hoping to fish for a few days.

Appreciate suggestions for guides, places, etc. regarding redfish.

Thanks,

Art

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Grandpa's shad flies

I'm with Dalton on line terminology. The popular lines are properly called integrated shooting heads and are not full sink. The fast sinking portion or head is 24-30' long and has some taper. Even an intermediate running line doesn't make it a full sink. A full sink is 90' or so of tapered sinking line with no joint, like the Rio Lake 7. I have that line but have yet to try it, also am curious how it casts.

Deciding on 200, 250 or 300 grain can be difficult as the river flow varies and American shad are often deeper. Taking two rods is one answer but I use an old fashioned, non-integrated shooting head set-up and can change heads as needed. Rio non-tapered tungsten heads are good and reasonably priced. There are places where I use a much shorter head and can handle soft strikes better, especially with American shad.

Integrated shooting head lines are not "full sink" but they aren't "sink tip" either!

Mark B.

On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 9:57:34 AM UTC-5, Dalton Terrell wrote:

10-4, I was thinking you meant the full sink type of line rather than the integrated shooting head style.

Dalton

On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 4:13:33 AM UTC-5, TurbineBlade wrote:
Yeah, the depth charge is a good example. The head does sink fast, and the running line much less so which (to me anyway) gives you a as close to a diagonal line from your rowboat to the fly. Other companies have similar lines, usually identified as "integrated fast-sink shooting heads" since there isn't a loop-loop connection.

My experience with regular "full sinking" lines is that they do get down, but the belly of the line tends to sink as much or more than the "head" making strikes a lot harder to detect.

The depth charge type lines are more expensive, but well-worth it IMO.

I'm still not great at casting them, but you really don't have to cast them very far to catch all of the shad you want. I usually just flop them to one side, and then water haul over to make the cast.

Gene

On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 8:37:39 PM UTC-5, tperkins wrote:
I am partial to the Orvis Depth Charge, 300 grain for my 8wt. Gets deep quick and loads the rod nice.

On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 5:45:17 PM UTC-5, Dalton Terrell wrote:
Gene,

What fly line do you use or recommend? I remember the old Rio Deep Lake 7 line that was full sinking that way, but don't think it's made any more.

I also probably need to replace my 7 and 8 wt sinking lines soon, they're both old Rio Striper 225gr and 250gr with sinking heads and intermediate running line. Fishing this past weekend with a friend, he was getting much deeper with a 250gr Rio In Touch, with sinking head and intermediate running line as well, so deep that he snagged the bottom a ton and broke the fly line three times with 20lb tippet. Obviously a defective core on that line, but I've gotten an equally bad one from Airflo years ago.

Dalton

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} New Orleans redfish

Thanks very much for the info. Very helpful.

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Caleb, good point about getting back to the city. The flip side is if you're staying downtown, parking will be $40/night at the hotels. Sure is a heck of a lot more convenient to have a car though, plus it lets you more easily access some of the other REALLY cool areas of the city.

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 8:10 AM, Caleb <cbsimms@smcm.edu> wrote:

I also agree with that recommendation. Fished with Rocky Thickstun in January, and while I failed to link with a redfish, it couldn't be blamed on the guide. He put me on plenty of good fish. You might consider renting a car if staying in the city. When I met him at Penny's Cafe, I easily got an uber from the city but getting one back was another story. The uber ride there was like $25 bucks but the cab ride back was around $50 and the cab was truly filthy inside.

On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 1:54:22 PM UTC-5, Marek wrote:

Diddo Greg Moon. That guy is so dialed in down there. Very impressive guide and a fun guy to hang with.

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I highly recommend Greg Moon from Louisiana Fly Fishing Charters. I fish with him all the time down there. You typically meet him at Penny's Cafe, which isn't terribly far away from NOLA proper (30 minutes), so you can even take a cab there and ride to the put in with him. If he's unavailable, he'll recommend either Rocky Thickstun or Lucas Bisset. All of them are awesome, and they'll always be working together anyway to figure out best methods for the day if things are tough. It's almost like you have three guides working for you!

I haven't fished early June (only summer fishing was in July), but I believe that's when conditions typically stabilize and while you probably won't run into any 50-fish days like you would in October, but you shouldn't have a 80% chance of getting rained/blown out. Summer typically has very consistent, excellent fishing.

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 10:14 AM, 'Art Friedlander' via Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders <tidal-potoma...@googlegroups. com> wrote:

Looking for recommendations regarding fishing for redfish. Will be in New Orleans first week of June and hoping to fish for a few days.

Appreciate suggestions for guides, places, etc. regarding redfish.

Thanks,

Art

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Grandpa's shad flies

10-4, I was thinking you meant the full sink type of line rather than the integrated shooting head style.

Dalton

On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 4:13:33 AM UTC-5, TurbineBlade wrote:

Yeah, the depth charge is a good example. The head does sink fast, and the running line much less so which (to me anyway) gives you a as close to a diagonal line from your rowboat to the fly. Other companies have similar lines, usually identified as "integrated fast-sink shooting heads" since there isn't a loop-loop connection.

My experience with regular "full sinking" lines is that they do get down, but the belly of the line tends to sink as much or more than the "head" making strikes a lot harder to detect.

The depth charge type lines are more expensive, but well-worth it IMO.

I'm still not great at casting them, but you really don't have to cast them very far to catch all of the shad you want. I usually just flop them to one side, and then water haul over to make the cast.

Gene

On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 8:37:39 PM UTC-5, tperkins wrote:
I am partial to the Orvis Depth Charge, 300 grain for my 8wt. Gets deep quick and loads the rod nice.

On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 5:45:17 PM UTC-5, Dalton Terrell wrote:
Gene,

What fly line do you use or recommend? I remember the old Rio Deep Lake 7 line that was full sinking that way, but don't think it's made any more.

I also probably need to replace my 7 and 8 wt sinking lines soon, they're both old Rio Striper 225gr and 250gr with sinking heads and intermediate running line. Fishing this past weekend with a friend, he was getting much deeper with a 250gr Rio In Touch, with sinking head and intermediate running line as well, so deep that he snagged the bottom a ton and broke the fly line three times with 20lb tippet. Obviously a defective core on that line, but I've gotten an equally bad one from Airflo years ago.

Dalton

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Grandpa's shad flies

My experience with casting them, is that you sometimes have to "rollcast" once or twice to get the line to the surface. But then either a water load or one or two false casts will send the line flying. Part of this is that a 300 gr is overloading the 8wt a bit.
On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 9:36:44 AM UTC-5, namfos wrote:

Thanks for the info, gents. Use to fish lakes with a sink tip, but never a full sinker. I suppose this old dog's got to learn new tricks.

Mark

On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 4:13:33 AM UTC-5, TurbineBlade wrote:
Yeah, the depth charge is a good example. The head does sink fast, and the running line much less so which (to me anyway) gives you a

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} New Orleans redfish

The street car is also an incredibly cheap and entertaining way to move around the city. I think a 24hr pass is $2, might be as much as $4.

There is also supposed to be fantastic carp fishing right in the city if you have time to give it a shot.

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 9:35 AM, Jeffrey Silvan <jeffreysilvan@gmail.com> wrote:

Caleb, good point about getting back to the city. The flip side is if you're staying downtown, parking will be $40/night at the hotels. Sure is a heck of a lot more convenient to have a car though, plus it lets you more easily access some of the other REALLY cool areas of the city.

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 8:10 AM, Caleb <cbsimms@smcm.edu> wrote:
I also agree with that recommendation. Fished with Rocky Thickstun in January, and while I failed to link with a redfish, it couldn't be blamed on the guide. He put me on plenty of good fish. You might consider renting a car if staying in the city. When I met him at Penny's Cafe, I easily got an uber from the city but getting one back was another story. The uber ride there was like $25 bucks but the cab ride back was around $50 and the cab was truly filthy inside.

On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 1:54:22 PM UTC-5, Marek wrote:

Diddo Greg Moon. That guy is so dialed in down there. Very impressive guide and a fun guy to hang with.

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I highly recommend Greg Moon from Louisiana Fly Fishing Charters. I fish with him all the time down there. You typically meet him at Penny's Cafe, which isn't terribly far away from NOLA proper (30 minutes), so you can even take a cab there and ride to the put in with him. If he's unavailable, he'll recommend either Rocky Thickstun or Lucas Bisset. All of them are awesome, and they'll always be working together anyway to figure out best methods for the day if things are tough. It's almost like you have three guides working for you!

I haven't fished early June (only summer fishing was in July), but I believe that's when conditions typically stabilize and while you probably won't run into any 50-fish days like you would in October, but you shouldn't have a 80% chance of getting rained/blown out. Summer typically has very consistent, excellent fishing.

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 10:14 AM, 'Art Friedlander' via Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders <tidal-potoma...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Looking for recommendations regarding fishing for redfish. Will be in New Orleans first week of June and hoping to fish for a few days.

Appreciate suggestions for guides, places, etc. regarding redfish.

Thanks,

Art

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