Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders

Tuesday, 1 September 2015

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Yellow Breeches / Susquehanna

Darn, sorry I missed this. I have fished that exact section. It was nice looking water, and I was hoping to get into some smallies there, but I didn't have any luck when I went in April a few years ago. How'd you do?

On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 11:35:52 AM UTC-4, Jeff Silvan wrote:

I'm going to a wedding this weekend near Harrisburg, PA. The hotel is basically right where the Yellow Breeches dumps into the Susquehanna. I have have two or three hours tomorrow morning to get some fishing in. I can literally walk to the Yellow Breeches from there, but not sure if that stretch is worth fishing. Any insight or suggestions on somewhere to hit that's within a very short drive given how little free time I might end up with?

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Monday, 31 August 2015

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Brookies (or the lack thereof) at the Rapidan River

Dearest sirt,

You swing soft hackles. Until you change your fishing repertoire to upstream dry fly only, I suggest you refrain from partaking in any internet banter.

Pinky extended,

Sir Richard of H Street

Richard Farino

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Date: Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 4:58 AM
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Subject: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Brookies (or the lack thereof) at the Rapidan River

Hey! -- if there's one thing that works well on the internet, it's arrogance with no explanation!

Andrew: So long as you have a valid fishing license, you are well within your right to fish the SNP streams (or lower Rapidan) whenever you feel like it. Virginia DGIF proudly advertises a "year-round" trout fishery, so there's absolutely no legal requirement to avoid fishing the streams when they're low. Hell, I fish 75F water, and straight through the spawn and also stomach pump each and every brook trout to see what they're eating (which is critical to catching SNP brook trout) and because it's fun to make fish barf!

Note that fishing locally really sucks though -- you should pay your left arm to do a bonefish trip once, and then tell everyone at beer tie about ("them big bones I caught like, 8 years ago") and your various reasons for not fishing the rest of the year. "High temperature" is a good start, but don't forget "dry hands". The more arrogant you are about it, the better! You'll fill your dance card!

Gene

On Saturday, August 29, 2015 at 10:59:13 PM UTC-4, Yambag Nelson wrote:

How about just leaving them alone?

On Saturday, August 29, 2015 at 8:36:50 PM UTC-4, Andrew Chaney wrote:
After getting skunked at the mid-section of the Rapidan several weeks ago, I decided to hit up the lower portion this afternoon (just north of Graves Mill). The fallfish bite was aggressive. In about an hour of fishing, I caught about a dozen ranging from 6" - 12". However, I saw something concerning that I thought I'd run by here.

In one pool, I saw dozens of fish, about half fallfish, 1/3 brook trout, and the rest miscellaneous. The brook trout were decently sized and they were very sluggish. They just stuck to the bottom of the pool and didn't react to anything. I dropped woolly buggers, prince nymphs, and hare's ear nymphs right in front of their noses and got nothing. At one point, a hare's ear brushed over the back of one of them and it hardly reacted. At another point, I hooked into a 12" fallfish and it darted all over the pool. Again, the brookies barely moved.

So, is this normal behavior for brook trout? Other than their extreme stoicism, there didn't seem to be anything wrong. Is it a late summer temperature thing or something else?

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Maryland browns

Bonus -- I owe you a beer at the next tie!

On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 11:58:40 AM UTC-4, namfos wrote:

Nice Fontinalis salvelinus too

Mark

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Maryland browns

Nice Fontinalis salvelinus too

Mark

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: South Fork

The biggest fish I caught yesterday was this fat smallie near the boat landing. We were waiting for the canoe livery to pick us up and I waded out and stripped a streamer along the bank from the middle of the river. The fish was following it and I thought for sure it would turn away when it got close to me, but when I paused the strip, she just sipped it in and I was able to land it.

On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 11:09:57 AM UTC-4, TurbineBlade wrote:

Hi Bob -- sounds like fun. We do the same thing on floats. The biggest fish I've managed seem to be when I make long casts off of the front of the canoe to structure well before the boat getting there to tip them off. Naive fish act a LOT differently than ones that are even remotely aware of humans/disturbance.

I usually just use 8-10 pound stuff for most flies, but have probably used 4 pound maxima (4x dia) on and off with small streamers, and the 15 pound mono does better with the monster poppers. I find smallmouth to be a lot more sensitive to disturbance than tippet.

Gene

On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 10:52:14 AM UTC-4, Bob Richey wrote:
For the past two weekends, I've floated the South Fork from mile 13 to 19 and have had pretty good success for late summer. The water's gin clear, so I've gone down to 3x tippet. I've been finding good numbers in the fast water, especially on the lip of riffles. Usually, I switch to a crayfish, or helgramite pattern this late in the summer, but they're still hitting shenks and pearl marauders, so why switch? I did land two 15 inchers in slower water near the bank. Mostly, we paddle down to each riffle, get out and swing some streamers then paddle on to the next riffle. I had started by fishing poppers on the bank, but I kept getting bluegills so I switched over.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Fly fishing from beach

Fished there last week and got nothing in the surf. short/hard break makes for run up and walk back casting.

Silver lake is good for golden bass and some largemouth barring any large saltwater injections. kind of a kids fishing place more than anything you'd want to seriously attack.

Indian River Inlet area is best bet for saltwater but can get crowded. Also you can fish the shallows anywhere along rehoboth bay, go during low tide to spot the channels, then come back for the incoming and quick strip minnow patterns for small (1-2.5lb) blues and schoolie stripers. thoroughly rinse yourself and your gear afterwards and check the water quality reports before wet wading, there are often extremely high levels of bacteria in the summer warranting a 'no contact' warning. and be careful if you try putting a boat in on Rehoboth Bay, some incredible tidal currents and storms/wind can pop up quicker than a radar app updates.

On Tuesday, August 25, 2015 at 2:40:58 PM UTC-4, Marek wrote:

I have a place in Bethany and fish the Indian River Inlet when time permits. Much like any tidal water, timing the tides to sun-up/sun-down is always suggested. Fishing the ocean side jetty requires a bit of work, as some of the larger rocks, especially the further out you go, can get pretty slippery. I fished my 7wt with a sinking tip and was able to get into several nice sized stripers – most of them landed close to the rocks. I fished a duel rig with two clouser minnows, one larger in the front and a smaller in the rear some 14-18" below, and was successful with both. I even had one double hook-up that was pretty freaky. Please pay particular attention to where you fish and the nearest point of water access, as trying to jump rocks, get down to the water and land the fish isn't for the faint of heart.

As mentioned below, it can get crowded and a striping basket is a must. The absolute best location is the very end of the jetty. Depending on wind and the direction of the surf, the ocean will "sweep" over an old extension of the jetty that is mostly submersed below the ocean surface. This was by far the most productive place to fish, as many of the large fish hang the wash picking off bait fish that roll over in the surf.

For an incoming tide, I like the southern side of the inlet.

Personal message me if you want additional info.

Marek

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Subject: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Fly fishing from beach

Bob-

I have a place in Rehoboth and fish it all the time. For those of you who have seen my posts, carp fishing in Silver Lake...

1-bring 5 wt to fish for giant enormous carp in Silver Lake. Fish near the park at the far west side of Silver Lake. https://www.google.com/maps/search/silver+lake+park+delaware+rehoboth/@38.7093509,-75.0881457,17.22z
2-fishing in the surf has been really really slow. I have thrown every kind of bait known, live, bloodworms, cut bait and have not caught anything. My buddies tell me that the bite in the surf is off this year because of the cold winter.
3-fishing from the surf in Rehoboth is typically tough because the slope of the beach to the water. There is a pretty drastic drop to the beach so when you backcast, you hit the sand. Unless you spey cast, it can be tough to get any distance. Rehoboth typically fishes ok with bait but you will be working hard blind casting to find random fish in the surf.
4-all the suggestions on intermediate/sinking line are accurate but Rehoboth has a pretty bad beach break-meaning the waves crash right at your feet and you don't really wade out in the surf to fly fish. If decide to fish the surf, definitely bring stripping basket. The waves will tangle the fly line around your feet.
5-if you are interested in wading, I suggest 2 places: https://www.google.com/maps/place/38%C2%B041%2729.9%22N+75%C2%B004%2738.3%22W/@38.6916374,-75.0771721,3a,75y,268.63h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s0AjGVJtXbaBqUZjvR-SU7g!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D0AjGVJtXbaBqUZjvR-SU7g%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D100%26h%3D80%26yaw%3D268.24188%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0
In Rehoboth Bay I fished at dusk into swirls that were chasing bait to the surface and got a 18in striper. The water was super shallow and I was using a 7wt, with about a 7 ft sink tip, tan over white clouser with no leaded eyes. Stripping basket not really needed in Rehoboth Bay. You can also blind cast for croakers. The goto fly is a sandcrab imitation. Sparse tan and white with a little bit of flash, tied with orange thread. That style requires a sinking line typically because you are dragging along the bottom to imitate a sand crab and croakers have a subterminal mouth.
https://books.google.com/books?id=09SA7lO-DJwC&pg=PA61&lpg=PA61&dq=mouth+of+a+croaker+fish&source=bl&ots=rdDAxWNvGT&sig=X1Gk1lbJcdDsXuGhJ7xlqfT-7Pw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CE4Q6AEwCmoVChMIsJjS_9fExwIVwm8-Ch0hoAXe#v=onepage&q=mouth%20of%20a%20croaker%20fish&f=false

I am lazy and just use floating line with a heavy fly and wait for it to sink. Again Rehoboth Bay is really shallow allow over.

6-my buddy says that stripers are located in and around Burton Island on the north side of the jetty. Typically a kayak or boat will be needed to get out there. He says fish the cuts on the seams during a rising tide.

38.691640, -75.077310

38°41'29.9"N 75°04'38.3"

7-if you have kayak, you can also fish the cape may/lewes ferry wall. https://www.google.com/maps/place/38%C2%B047%2704.9%22N+75%C2%B007%2717.2%22W/@38.784689,-75.121459,717m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0 Full sink line and cast close to the rocks. I did it the other day but got nothing. Full sink line required.

8-I rarely fish the indian river inlet. Lots of people and tough casting conditions on a fly rod. If you bait/lure fish IRI, be prepared to lose lots of tackle. The rocks capture everything.

8-

or fishing near the old Lewes Fishing Pier that is shutdown for repairs. http://www.destateparks.com/park/cape-henlopen/fishing-center.asp You can wet wade around the pier and cast floating line in there because there is not much depth. I have not tried that yet but plan to this week.

On Tuesday, August 25, 2015 at 10:15:03 AM UTC-4, Bob Richey wrote:

My wife and I are taking a short vacation to Rehobeth Beach in mid-September. I thought I'd bring along my fly rods and give a shot at fishing the surf. I've never fished salt water before. My idea is to wade out to maybe knee high and chuck some streamers at any structure like piers or jetties and strip it back. Is that doable? Should I be thinking about a sinking line? Obviously, I'm clueless, I'd appreciate any advice on technique, flies and equipment. Thanks.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: South Fork

Hi Bob -- sounds like fun. We do the same thing on floats. The biggest fish I've managed seem to be when I make long casts off of the front of the canoe to structure well before the boat getting there to tip them off. Naive fish act a LOT differently than ones that are even remotely aware of humans/disturbance.

I usually just use 8-10 pound stuff for most flies, but have probably used 4 pound maxima (4x dia) on and off with small streamers, and the 15 pound mono does better with the monster poppers. I find smallmouth to be a lot more sensitive to disturbance than tippet.

Gene

On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 10:52:14 AM UTC-4, Bob Richey wrote:

For the past two weekends, I've floated the South Fork from mile 13 to 19 and have had pretty good success for late summer. The water's gin clear, so I've gone down to 3x tippet. I've been finding good numbers in the fast water, especially on the lip of riffles. Usually, I switch to a crayfish, or helgramite pattern this late in the summer, but they're still hitting shenks and pearl marauders, so why switch? I did land two 15 inchers in slower water near the bank. Mostly, we paddle down to each riffle, get out and swing some streamers then paddle on to the next riffle. I had started by fishing poppers on the bank, but I kept getting bluegills so I switched over.

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