Monday, 25 August 2025

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Belize pointers.....January 2026

Thanks so much for the info!   I'm well on my way to planning a few days of chasing tarpon, bones and permit in Belize!

On Sunday, August 17, 2025 at 4:35:24 PM UTC-4 Philip Watt wrote:
Hey Peter,

I spent 4 days fishing Belize in early June. Spent time at the Belize River Lodge and El Pescador. 

I had to spend the first day in Belize City due to another commitment I had there, so Richie at District Angling told me about the Belize River Lodge which is 10mins from the airport. It's one of the oldest fishing lodges in Belize, and while the owners are exceptionally nice the accommodations are pretty spartan. They typically fish the mouth of the Belize River for big migratory tarpon, but the day I was there the wind was howling so we stayed inshore and fished the River. Juvenile tarpon and snook were caught, so it was nice to get a bend in the rod but fishing the River was kind of ho hum. Spoke with a couple other guys who had been there for a few days and they had been stuck fishing inshore the whole time and were a little frustrated. All in all, if your schedule means you have a day to burn in Belize City then definitely stay there and fish, rather than some hotel in the city. 

Day 2 I flew to San Pedro and stayed at El Pescador. Along with Turneffe Flats this is probably one of the most well known and highly regarded fishing lodges in Belize. It didn't disappoint. This was how I envisioned Belize fishing to be. Plenty of shots at tarpon (big and small), bonefish on the flats, and large schools of permit. 

I spent 3 days fishing at El Pescador and thoroughly enjoyed it. They welcome you to "their family", and treat you that way. Everyone there knows your name as soon as you step off the shuttle boat from the airport, and they bend over backwards to ensure you're taken care of. The guides were first class, very dialed in to the fishery, and worked to ensure you got your shots in. They are happy to meet you as early as 4am for departure if you like to get a full day in before the wind and heat picks up. As your body clock is still on East Coast time this was easy to do.  We took a 45 minute run each morning up to the national park which borders Mexico to first target tarpon, then worked our way back south hitting the flats for bonefish and permit. The permit schools we found were massive, easily 200+ permit in the 8-10lb range. Bonefish were in the smaller side, and the tarpon there range from the resident 30lb fish all the way up to the big 100lb+ migratory tarpon.

Their "Grand Slam" wall has some of the most well known names in fly fishing on it, with several folks up there for "Triple Grand Slams".  Food is excellent, served family style so you get a chance to dine with the other guests each night. Speaking with other guests, several of them really enjoyed Turneffe Flats for pure hardcore fly fishing, but liked El Pescador more if you want to take a day off from fishing and head into San Pedro for shopping/ dining etc. Sounds like Turneffe does not have much in the way of non-fishing activities, if that is a concern. 

I do have to mention the sargassum weed as it was super thick, and is an annual occurrence during the summer months  The smell will knock your socks off, and rules out any swimming off the beach. Just something to consider if you are taking family who don't fish and planned to sit on the beach reading a book. Likely a no go.  Fortunately you don't fish near it so it's not a factor on that front. 

Hit up Richie as he was SUPER helpful with tips on what gear to take, lines, leaders, flies etc. El Pescador does have a full suite of gear you can borrow too if need be.  The guides will use the flies you bring so don't show up empty handed. They also are grateful if you leave them with a few upon departure. 

I was solo on this trip, but definitely plan to go back again with my son or another fishing buddy. Likely in August as that's apparently prime time for the big tarpon. 

Hope this helps, but feel free to ask any questions. 

Cheers
Phil


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On Aug 16, 2025, at 6:24 AM, peter odell <peter...@gmail.com> wrote:

I have a big birthday coming up and want to head to Belize for 4 or 5 days of flyfishing.  I've heard great things about the fishery, but the options seem a little overwhelming.  Tarpon, bones and permit in that order my hoped for targets.

Anyone have any advice on lodging, pros/cons, other advice or even an alternative (has to be warm, Florida too variable that month).  

Thanks in advance - I'm always amazed how wide the knowledge is in this group....

Pete

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Thursday, 21 August 2025

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Pennyfield Lock Smallie question/ stumped

MD DNR tried to stock the Potomac after a couple bust spawn years in the late 2010s, but it didn't go well and I think the plan was suspended two years ago after a couple decent spawns.  I've contacted the MD DNR biologists directly and found them to be pretty open about what they're doing and what they see happening.  

While the flatheads and general water consumption and pollution don't help, the big culprit to me the last ten years is that around the spawn the Potomac basin gets frequent blowout rainstorms.  The smallmouth fishing got back to decent in the usual spots for the last three years or so.  This year's spawn probably got washed out, so I expect the population to be scarer 2-4 years from now, though your chance at bigger fish will go up.

On Monday, August 18, 2025 at 7:47:48 PM UTC-4 Kevin KB wrote:
Just a quick note on  stocking of Smallmouth.  Any restocking in the Potomac along the Maryland/Virginia border would be the responsibility of Maryland.

On Mon, Aug 18, 2025, 6:13 PM S <sikes....@gmail.com> wrote:
I'll chime in again with a quick note of appreciation for the mention of Jeff Kelble's presentation as I'm open to any hard info I can find. I'lll see if I can't find some presentation deck online searching the name. Searching for articles and studies published in tge last ten years on this stretch of the Potomac is yielding far less than I expected; *recent* information on fish counts, pollution effects, has been impossible to find. Based on what I have seen, my working hypothesis is that the current scarcity of fish in this area  probably has more to do with nutrient load and consequent Eutrophication than bad spawns & class years, but again, without monitoring information it's not verifiable.

Thanks again for mentioning the resource. 



-steve

On Aug 18, 2025, at 5:19 PM, Barracuda <omar...@gmail.com> wrote:

Some additional thoughts:
1. Some years ago, Jeff Kelble had a great presentation comparing water temperature with flow (volume and/or gage height) during spawning season -- and concluded that for quite a few years there were way too few days where both temperature and flow were adequate for decent spawning. So that was certainly a big part of the problem. But I thought that had eased in recent years and there have been reports of a rebound -- with more smaller fish (evidence of good spawns) showing up.
2. DNR did some (re?)stocking of smallmouth in the upper Potomac -- but IIRC it was upstream (maybe well upstream?) of Brunswick. So not sure that would have mattered for Lock 7-10 area. Or even Pennyfield.
3. What about flathead catfish? Are they a factor in reducing the smallmouth population? Last week while wade fishing (granted, using spinning equipment) for smallmouth I landed my PB catfish (no, I'm not proud...) -- but have no idea if it was a flathead. How do you tell the flatheads from the channel cats again??
4. Some people seem to think the upper Potomac is fishing really well for smallmouth. But this too may be (way) further upstream.
5. In the area I like to wade fish (let's just say it's downstream of Violette's) the last two years have produced the two biggest smallmouth I've ever taken from the Potomac -- and the larger on from 2024 is the biggest smallmouth I've ever caught. BUT: numbers have certainly not been great.

On Friday, August 15, 2025 at 1:18:37 PM UTC-4 Greg Feder wrote:
Sean and others —

Thanks for your observations and follow-up.  It may be worth speaking with the folks at the Potomac Riverkeeper Network:

Cheers, 

-- Greg

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On Aug 15, 2025, at 11:27 AM, Sean Fine <se...@changecontent.com> wrote:


Thanks for all the info everyone. It's really upsetting seeing this Decline in the population.  I fished in Michigan last fall and it was incredible.  Our fishery used to be that strong. I am going to dig in and talk to some biologists and get back to everyone on what I find. 







On Wed, Aug 13, 2025 at 7:34 AM 'Art Friedlander' via Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders <tidal-potoma...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Thanks for all the information 
Very helpful 
Art



On Tuesday, August 12, 2025, 3:41 PM, jhaner...@gmail.com <jhaner...@gmail.com> wrote:

Steve,

As indicated above, i hardly ever get out for smallies in the potomac area as i now live in the new york area.  However, if you are looking for productive smallie water under 1 hour drive, i highly suggest giving the monocacy a try.  Park at pinecliff park and there is tons of access.  Also (maybe pushing 1+ hours) is the north fork shennandoah, which i have done very well on in the past 7+ years.  Haven't fished much on the south fork shennandoah, but heard it has held up compared to the potomac.  Also, as noted above, i have never come across smallie fishing quite as good as the juniata/susquehnna.  I have only fished the area near duncannon, PA and it has always produced....very good results.

Also, the guys at Riverfront Campground provide fishing boats and shuttle service for very cheap prices....

On Tuesday, August 12, 2025 at 2:47:33 PM UTC-4 S wrote:
Sean,

FWIW: I was out at Lock 10/Swainson's Island last night -south of you — but same thing. In three + hours covering just under a mile on foot, I spotted two fish (one, a carp), and hardly any forage at all. I've been in MD for 3+ years, and right now is about as close to "dead water" as I have ever seen this stretch,  between Locks 6 & 10… what I'd consider my home water.

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On Aug 12, 2025, at 1:35 PM, David Vazquez <nwflo...@gmail.com> wrote:



I was up around Brunswick yesterday morning. It was a little slow, but I landed three and had a couple of other swipes before losing my phone and car keys (which brought the fishing to a screeching halt). But while I was looking for my lost phone/keys later in the am, I saw quite a few fish, some in the 20-inch range. I wouldn't say I saw huge numbers, but there were more fish I wasn't catching than I imagined. They were super duper spooky. I didn't even have a rod with me and they were spooking before I got within 30 feet of them—most likely due to the crunch of gravel under my wader boots. But I have heard that the fishing was much better in the past. I've only been fishing them for the past three or so years, but I usually manage 5-10 decent fish, with usually a really nice one or two thrown in. 

Dave


On Tuesday, August 12, 2025 at 12:01:51 PM UTC-4 jhaner...@gmail.com wrote:
Sean,

I have written similar things to the above regarding the upper potomac over the years.  When i first began fly fishing as a teenager between 2012-2014, i used to go out to various areas on upper potomac (lock 7, lock 10, swains lock area, harpers ferry, seneca creek, etc...), barely being able to cast at that time, and would catch smallies every day, in large numbers.  Since ~2015, it seems that the population has gotten crushed (likely by high water events, pollution, etc....)  I no longer live in the DC area, but fished the upper potomac quite a bit during the summer of 2020, and probably caught a total of 3 smallies over 8 outings....the fishery seemed to just be completely dead, and many others have voiced this.  

Within the potomac watershed, i really only fish for smallies on the Monocacy (where i have actually done pretty well since 2019), but if i get the itch to target smallmouth, i make the drive to the juniata or Susquehanna.  I typically do a float on the juniata every summer, and a "bad day" on a 6 mile float for me during the summer is 20 landed fish.  I have had days of landing over 100 fish, and even some in the 4lb range (though the majority of fish are closer to 10-12 inches).

I do not know what has happened to the potomac smallmouth population over the last 10-12 years, but it is a real bummer.  I have not fished the upper potomac for smallmouth in over 3 years, but would be curious to hear if others have noticed the above.

Tight lights,
JH 

On Tuesday, August 12, 2025 at 11:06:50 AM UTC-4 Sean Fine wrote:

I've been fishing the Upper Potomac since the late '80s. A few nights ago, I floated from Seneca Breaks to Pennyfield, fishing until about 10 p.m. I expected the topwater bite to be incredible as dusk set in—but it was absolutely dead. I had a few swipes at my fly and one fish follow, but not a single hookup.

I cycled through a smaller topwater Kreelix, a dragonfly pattern, Ole Mr. Wiggly, and, once it got dark, a frog pattern. I fished mid-river, along the banks, and everywhere in between—still no bites. My son was with me throwing a small floating Rapala, and he also came up empty.

I was stumped. I saw very few fish breaking the surface and almost no damsel or dragonfly activity. The only noticeable insect activity was swarms of what looked like caddis flies, but nothing seemed to be feeding on them. As I pulled my raft out at the dock and headed home, I noticed a full moon—maybe that played a role?

It was a strange evening, especially because just a week earlier I had fished the same stretch at 5 a.m. and fish were chasing minnows everywhere.

I fish this section often, but I can't help wondering if there aren't as many fish here as there used to be,  or there is too much opressure here, or if they've moved to another part of the river due to the recent high water.

It's been driving me crazy—especially since I was hoping to put my son on some great fish that night. I'd love to hear your thoughts or ideas on what might have been going on.

Thanks so much,
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Monday, 18 August 2025

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Pennyfield Lock Smallie question/ stumped

Just a quick note on  stocking of Smallmouth.  Any restocking in the Potomac along the Maryland/Virginia border would be the responsibility of Maryland.

On Mon, Aug 18, 2025, 6:13 PM S <sikes.stephen@gmail.com> wrote:
I'll chime in again with a quick note of appreciation for the mention of Jeff Kelble's presentation as I'm open to any hard info I can find. I'lll see if I can't find some presentation deck online searching the name. Searching for articles and studies published in tge last ten years on this stretch of the Potomac is yielding far less than I expected; *recent* information on fish counts, pollution effects, has been impossible to find. Based on what I have seen, my working hypothesis is that the current scarcity of fish in this area  probably has more to do with nutrient load and consequent Eutrophication than bad spawns & class years, but again, without monitoring information it's not verifiable.

Thanks again for mentioning the resource. 



-steve

On Aug 18, 2025, at 5:19 PM, Barracuda <omarksky@gmail.com> wrote:

Some additional thoughts:
1. Some years ago, Jeff Kelble had a great presentation comparing water temperature with flow (volume and/or gage height) during spawning season -- and concluded that for quite a few years there were way too few days where both temperature and flow were adequate for decent spawning. So that was certainly a big part of the problem. But I thought that had eased in recent years and there have been reports of a rebound -- with more smaller fish (evidence of good spawns) showing up.
2. DNR did some (re?)stocking of smallmouth in the upper Potomac -- but IIRC it was upstream (maybe well upstream?) of Brunswick. So not sure that would have mattered for Lock 7-10 area. Or even Pennyfield.
3. What about flathead catfish? Are they a factor in reducing the smallmouth population? Last week while wade fishing (granted, using spinning equipment) for smallmouth I landed my PB catfish (no, I'm not proud...) -- but have no idea if it was a flathead. How do you tell the flatheads from the channel cats again??
4. Some people seem to think the upper Potomac is fishing really well for smallmouth. But this too may be (way) further upstream.
5. In the area I like to wade fish (let's just say it's downstream of Violette's) the last two years have produced the two biggest smallmouth I've ever taken from the Potomac -- and the larger on from 2024 is the biggest smallmouth I've ever caught. BUT: numbers have certainly not been great.

On Friday, August 15, 2025 at 1:18:37 PM UTC-4 Greg Feder wrote:
Sean and others —

Thanks for your observations and follow-up.  It may be worth speaking with the folks at the Potomac Riverkeeper Network:

Cheers, 

-- Greg

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On Aug 15, 2025, at 11:27 AM, Sean Fine <se...@changecontent.com> wrote:


Thanks for all the info everyone. It's really upsetting seeing this Decline in the population.  I fished in Michigan last fall and it was incredible.  Our fishery used to be that strong. I am going to dig in and talk to some biologists and get back to everyone on what I find. 







On Wed, Aug 13, 2025 at 7:34 AM 'Art Friedlander' via Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders <tidal-potoma...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Thanks for all the information 
Very helpful 
Art



On Tuesday, August 12, 2025, 3:41 PM, jhaner...@gmail.com <jhaner...@gmail.com> wrote:

Steve,

As indicated above, i hardly ever get out for smallies in the potomac area as i now live in the new york area.  However, if you are looking for productive smallie water under 1 hour drive, i highly suggest giving the monocacy a try.  Park at pinecliff park and there is tons of access.  Also (maybe pushing 1+ hours) is the north fork shennandoah, which i have done very well on in the past 7+ years.  Haven't fished much on the south fork shennandoah, but heard it has held up compared to the potomac.  Also, as noted above, i have never come across smallie fishing quite as good as the juniata/susquehnna.  I have only fished the area near duncannon, PA and it has always produced....very good results.

Also, the guys at Riverfront Campground provide fishing boats and shuttle service for very cheap prices....

On Tuesday, August 12, 2025 at 2:47:33 PM UTC-4 S wrote:
Sean,

FWIW: I was out at Lock 10/Swainson's Island last night -south of you — but same thing. In three + hours covering just under a mile on foot, I spotted two fish (one, a carp), and hardly any forage at all. I've been in MD for 3+ years, and right now is about as close to "dead water" as I have ever seen this stretch,  between Locks 6 & 10… what I'd consider my home water.

-Steve





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On Aug 12, 2025, at 1:35 PM, David Vazquez <nwflo...@gmail.com> wrote:



I was up around Brunswick yesterday morning. It was a little slow, but I landed three and had a couple of other swipes before losing my phone and car keys (which brought the fishing to a screeching halt). But while I was looking for my lost phone/keys later in the am, I saw quite a few fish, some in the 20-inch range. I wouldn't say I saw huge numbers, but there were more fish I wasn't catching than I imagined. They were super duper spooky. I didn't even have a rod with me and they were spooking before I got within 30 feet of them—most likely due to the crunch of gravel under my wader boots. But I have heard that the fishing was much better in the past. I've only been fishing them for the past three or so years, but I usually manage 5-10 decent fish, with usually a really nice one or two thrown in. 

Dave


On Tuesday, August 12, 2025 at 12:01:51 PM UTC-4 jhaner...@gmail.com wrote:
Sean,

I have written similar things to the above regarding the upper potomac over the years.  When i first began fly fishing as a teenager between 2012-2014, i used to go out to various areas on upper potomac (lock 7, lock 10, swains lock area, harpers ferry, seneca creek, etc...), barely being able to cast at that time, and would catch smallies every day, in large numbers.  Since ~2015, it seems that the population has gotten crushed (likely by high water events, pollution, etc....)  I no longer live in the DC area, but fished the upper potomac quite a bit during the summer of 2020, and probably caught a total of 3 smallies over 8 outings....the fishery seemed to just be completely dead, and many others have voiced this.  

Within the potomac watershed, i really only fish for smallies on the Monocacy (where i have actually done pretty well since 2019), but if i get the itch to target smallmouth, i make the drive to the juniata or Susquehanna.  I typically do a float on the juniata every summer, and a "bad day" on a 6 mile float for me during the summer is 20 landed fish.  I have had days of landing over 100 fish, and even some in the 4lb range (though the majority of fish are closer to 10-12 inches).

I do not know what has happened to the potomac smallmouth population over the last 10-12 years, but it is a real bummer.  I have not fished the upper potomac for smallmouth in over 3 years, but would be curious to hear if others have noticed the above.

Tight lights,
JH 

On Tuesday, August 12, 2025 at 11:06:50 AM UTC-4 Sean Fine wrote:

I've been fishing the Upper Potomac since the late '80s. A few nights ago, I floated from Seneca Breaks to Pennyfield, fishing until about 10 p.m. I expected the topwater bite to be incredible as dusk set in—but it was absolutely dead. I had a few swipes at my fly and one fish follow, but not a single hookup.

I cycled through a smaller topwater Kreelix, a dragonfly pattern, Ole Mr. Wiggly, and, once it got dark, a frog pattern. I fished mid-river, along the banks, and everywhere in between—still no bites. My son was with me throwing a small floating Rapala, and he also came up empty.

I was stumped. I saw very few fish breaking the surface and almost no damsel or dragonfly activity. The only noticeable insect activity was swarms of what looked like caddis flies, but nothing seemed to be feeding on them. As I pulled my raft out at the dock and headed home, I noticed a full moon—maybe that played a role?

It was a strange evening, especially because just a week earlier I had fished the same stretch at 5 a.m. and fish were chasing minnows everywhere.

I fish this section often, but I can't help wondering if there aren't as many fish here as there used to be,  or there is too much opressure here, or if they've moved to another part of the river due to the recent high water.

It's been driving me crazy—especially since I was hoping to put my son on some great fish that night. I'd love to hear your thoughts or ideas on what might have been going on.

Thanks so much,
Sean

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Pennyfield Lock Smallie question/ stumped

I'll chime in again with a quick note of appreciation for the mention of Jeff Kelble's presentation as I'm open to any hard info I can find. I'lll see if I can't find some presentation deck online searching the name. Searching for articles and studies published in tge last ten years on this stretch of the Potomac is yielding far less than I expected; *recent* information on fish counts, pollution effects, has been impossible to find. Based on what I have seen, my working hypothesis is that the current scarcity of fish in this area  probably has more to do with nutrient load and consequent Eutrophication than bad spawns & class years, but again, without monitoring information it's not verifiable.

Thanks again for mentioning the resource. 



-steve

On Aug 18, 2025, at 5:19 PM, Barracuda <omarksky@gmail.com> wrote:

Some additional thoughts:
1. Some years ago, Jeff Kelble had a great presentation comparing water temperature with flow (volume and/or gage height) during spawning season -- and concluded that for quite a few years there were way too few days where both temperature and flow were adequate for decent spawning. So that was certainly a big part of the problem. But I thought that had eased in recent years and there have been reports of a rebound -- with more smaller fish (evidence of good spawns) showing up.
2. DNR did some (re?)stocking of smallmouth in the upper Potomac -- but IIRC it was upstream (maybe well upstream?) of Brunswick. So not sure that would have mattered for Lock 7-10 area. Or even Pennyfield.
3. What about flathead catfish? Are they a factor in reducing the smallmouth population? Last week while wade fishing (granted, using spinning equipment) for smallmouth I landed my PB catfish (no, I'm not proud...) -- but have no idea if it was a flathead. How do you tell the flatheads from the channel cats again??
4. Some people seem to think the upper Potomac is fishing really well for smallmouth. But this too may be (way) further upstream.
5. In the area I like to wade fish (let's just say it's downstream of Violette's) the last two years have produced the two biggest smallmouth I've ever taken from the Potomac -- and the larger on from 2024 is the biggest smallmouth I've ever caught. BUT: numbers have certainly not been great.

On Friday, August 15, 2025 at 1:18:37 PM UTC-4 Greg Feder wrote:
Sean and others —

Thanks for your observations and follow-up.  It may be worth speaking with the folks at the Potomac Riverkeeper Network:

Cheers, 

-- Greg

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On Aug 15, 2025, at 11:27 AM, Sean Fine <se...@changecontent.com> wrote:


Thanks for all the info everyone. It's really upsetting seeing this Decline in the population.  I fished in Michigan last fall and it was incredible.  Our fishery used to be that strong. I am going to dig in and talk to some biologists and get back to everyone on what I find. 







On Wed, Aug 13, 2025 at 7:34 AM 'Art Friedlander' via Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders <tidal-potoma...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Thanks for all the information 
Very helpful 
Art



On Tuesday, August 12, 2025, 3:41 PM, jhaner...@gmail.com <jhaner...@gmail.com> wrote:

Steve,

As indicated above, i hardly ever get out for smallies in the potomac area as i now live in the new york area.  However, if you are looking for productive smallie water under 1 hour drive, i highly suggest giving the monocacy a try.  Park at pinecliff park and there is tons of access.  Also (maybe pushing 1+ hours) is the north fork shennandoah, which i have done very well on in the past 7+ years.  Haven't fished much on the south fork shennandoah, but heard it has held up compared to the potomac.  Also, as noted above, i have never come across smallie fishing quite as good as the juniata/susquehnna.  I have only fished the area near duncannon, PA and it has always produced....very good results.

Also, the guys at Riverfront Campground provide fishing boats and shuttle service for very cheap prices....

On Tuesday, August 12, 2025 at 2:47:33 PM UTC-4 S wrote:
Sean,

FWIW: I was out at Lock 10/Swainson's Island last night -south of you — but same thing. In three + hours covering just under a mile on foot, I spotted two fish (one, a carp), and hardly any forage at all. I've been in MD for 3+ years, and right now is about as close to "dead water" as I have ever seen this stretch,  between Locks 6 & 10… what I'd consider my home water.

-Steve





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I was up around Brunswick yesterday morning. It was a little slow, but I landed three and had a couple of other swipes before losing my phone and car keys (which brought the fishing to a screeching halt). But while I was looking for my lost phone/keys later in the am, I saw quite a few fish, some in the 20-inch range. I wouldn't say I saw huge numbers, but there were more fish I wasn't catching than I imagined. They were super duper spooky. I didn't even have a rod with me and they were spooking before I got within 30 feet of them—most likely due to the crunch of gravel under my wader boots. But I have heard that the fishing was much better in the past. I've only been fishing them for the past three or so years, but I usually manage 5-10 decent fish, with usually a really nice one or two thrown in. 

Dave


On Tuesday, August 12, 2025 at 12:01:51 PM UTC-4 jhaner...@gmail.com wrote:
Sean,

I have written similar things to the above regarding the upper potomac over the years.  When i first began fly fishing as a teenager between 2012-2014, i used to go out to various areas on upper potomac (lock 7, lock 10, swains lock area, harpers ferry, seneca creek, etc...), barely being able to cast at that time, and would catch smallies every day, in large numbers.  Since ~2015, it seems that the population has gotten crushed (likely by high water events, pollution, etc....)  I no longer live in the DC area, but fished the upper potomac quite a bit during the summer of 2020, and probably caught a total of 3 smallies over 8 outings....the fishery seemed to just be completely dead, and many others have voiced this.  

Within the potomac watershed, i really only fish for smallies on the Monocacy (where i have actually done pretty well since 2019), but if i get the itch to target smallmouth, i make the drive to the juniata or Susquehanna.  I typically do a float on the juniata every summer, and a "bad day" on a 6 mile float for me during the summer is 20 landed fish.  I have had days of landing over 100 fish, and even some in the 4lb range (though the majority of fish are closer to 10-12 inches).

I do not know what has happened to the potomac smallmouth population over the last 10-12 years, but it is a real bummer.  I have not fished the upper potomac for smallmouth in over 3 years, but would be curious to hear if others have noticed the above.

Tight lights,
JH 

On Tuesday, August 12, 2025 at 11:06:50 AM UTC-4 Sean Fine wrote:

I've been fishing the Upper Potomac since the late '80s. A few nights ago, I floated from Seneca Breaks to Pennyfield, fishing until about 10 p.m. I expected the topwater bite to be incredible as dusk set in—but it was absolutely dead. I had a few swipes at my fly and one fish follow, but not a single hookup.

I cycled through a smaller topwater Kreelix, a dragonfly pattern, Ole Mr. Wiggly, and, once it got dark, a frog pattern. I fished mid-river, along the banks, and everywhere in between—still no bites. My son was with me throwing a small floating Rapala, and he also came up empty.

I was stumped. I saw very few fish breaking the surface and almost no damsel or dragonfly activity. The only noticeable insect activity was swarms of what looked like caddis flies, but nothing seemed to be feeding on them. As I pulled my raft out at the dock and headed home, I noticed a full moon—maybe that played a role?

It was a strange evening, especially because just a week earlier I had fished the same stretch at 5 a.m. and fish were chasing minnows everywhere.

I fish this section often, but I can't help wondering if there aren't as many fish here as there used to be,  or there is too much opressure here, or if they've moved to another part of the river due to the recent high water.

It's been driving me crazy—especially since I was hoping to put my son on some great fish that night. I'd love to hear your thoughts or ideas on what might have been going on.

Thanks so much,
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Some additional thoughts:
1. Some years ago, Jeff Kelble had a great presentation comparing water temperature with flow (volume and/or gage height) during spawning season -- and concluded that for quite a few years there were way too few days where both temperature and flow were adequate for decent spawning. So that was certainly a big part of the problem. But I thought that had eased in recent years and there have been reports of a rebound -- with more smaller fish (evidence of good spawns) showing up.
2. DNR did some (re?)stocking of smallmouth in the upper Potomac -- but IIRC it was upstream (maybe well upstream?) of Brunswick. So not sure that would have mattered for Lock 7-10 area. Or even Pennyfield.
3. What about flathead catfish? Are they a factor in reducing the smallmouth population? Last week while wade fishing (granted, using spinning equipment) for smallmouth I landed my PB catfish (no, I'm not proud...) -- but have no idea if it was a flathead. How do you tell the flatheads from the channel cats again??
4. Some people seem to think the upper Potomac is fishing really well for smallmouth. But this too may be (way) further upstream.
5. In the area I like to wade fish (let's just say it's downstream of Violette's) the last two years have produced the two biggest smallmouth I've ever taken from the Potomac -- and the larger on from 2024 is the biggest smallmouth I've ever caught. BUT: numbers have certainly not been great.

On Friday, August 15, 2025 at 1:18:37 PM UTC-4 Greg Feder wrote:
Sean and others —

Thanks for your observations and follow-up.  It may be worth speaking with the folks at the Potomac Riverkeeper Network:

Cheers, 

-- Greg

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On Aug 15, 2025, at 11:27 AM, Sean Fine <se...@changecontent.com> wrote:


Thanks for all the info everyone. It's really upsetting seeing this Decline in the population.  I fished in Michigan last fall and it was incredible.  Our fishery used to be that strong. I am going to dig in and talk to some biologists and get back to everyone on what I find. 







On Wed, Aug 13, 2025 at 7:34 AM 'Art Friedlander' via Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders <tidal-potoma...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Thanks for all the information 
Very helpful 
Art



On Tuesday, August 12, 2025, 3:41 PM, jhaner...@gmail.com <jhaner...@gmail.com> wrote:

Steve,

As indicated above, i hardly ever get out for smallies in the potomac area as i now live in the new york area.  However, if you are looking for productive smallie water under 1 hour drive, i highly suggest giving the monocacy a try.  Park at pinecliff park and there is tons of access.  Also (maybe pushing 1+ hours) is the north fork shennandoah, which i have done very well on in the past 7+ years.  Haven't fished much on the south fork shennandoah, but heard it has held up compared to the potomac.  Also, as noted above, i have never come across smallie fishing quite as good as the juniata/susquehnna.  I have only fished the area near duncannon, PA and it has always produced....very good results.

Also, the guys at Riverfront Campground provide fishing boats and shuttle service for very cheap prices....

On Tuesday, August 12, 2025 at 2:47:33 PM UTC-4 S wrote:
Sean,

FWIW: I was out at Lock 10/Swainson's Island last night -south of you — but same thing. In three + hours covering just under a mile on foot, I spotted two fish (one, a carp), and hardly any forage at all. I've been in MD for 3+ years, and right now is about as close to "dead water" as I have ever seen this stretch,  between Locks 6 & 10… what I'd consider my home water.

-Steve





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I was up around Brunswick yesterday morning. It was a little slow, but I landed three and had a couple of other swipes before losing my phone and car keys (which brought the fishing to a screeching halt). But while I was looking for my lost phone/keys later in the am, I saw quite a few fish, some in the 20-inch range. I wouldn't say I saw huge numbers, but there were more fish I wasn't catching than I imagined. They were super duper spooky. I didn't even have a rod with me and they were spooking before I got within 30 feet of them—most likely due to the crunch of gravel under my wader boots. But I have heard that the fishing was much better in the past. I've only been fishing them for the past three or so years, but I usually manage 5-10 decent fish, with usually a really nice one or two thrown in. 

Dave


On Tuesday, August 12, 2025 at 12:01:51 PM UTC-4 jhaner...@gmail.com wrote:
Sean,

I have written similar things to the above regarding the upper potomac over the years.  When i first began fly fishing as a teenager between 2012-2014, i used to go out to various areas on upper potomac (lock 7, lock 10, swains lock area, harpers ferry, seneca creek, etc...), barely being able to cast at that time, and would catch smallies every day, in large numbers.  Since ~2015, it seems that the population has gotten crushed (likely by high water events, pollution, etc....)  I no longer live in the DC area, but fished the upper potomac quite a bit during the summer of 2020, and probably caught a total of 3 smallies over 8 outings....the fishery seemed to just be completely dead, and many others have voiced this.  

Within the potomac watershed, i really only fish for smallies on the Monocacy (where i have actually done pretty well since 2019), but if i get the itch to target smallmouth, i make the drive to the juniata or Susquehanna.  I typically do a float on the juniata every summer, and a "bad day" on a 6 mile float for me during the summer is 20 landed fish.  I have had days of landing over 100 fish, and even some in the 4lb range (though the majority of fish are closer to 10-12 inches).

I do not know what has happened to the potomac smallmouth population over the last 10-12 years, but it is a real bummer.  I have not fished the upper potomac for smallmouth in over 3 years, but would be curious to hear if others have noticed the above.

Tight lights,
JH 

On Tuesday, August 12, 2025 at 11:06:50 AM UTC-4 Sean Fine wrote:

I've been fishing the Upper Potomac since the late '80s. A few nights ago, I floated from Seneca Breaks to Pennyfield, fishing until about 10 p.m. I expected the topwater bite to be incredible as dusk set in—but it was absolutely dead. I had a few swipes at my fly and one fish follow, but not a single hookup.

I cycled through a smaller topwater Kreelix, a dragonfly pattern, Ole Mr. Wiggly, and, once it got dark, a frog pattern. I fished mid-river, along the banks, and everywhere in between—still no bites. My son was with me throwing a small floating Rapala, and he also came up empty.

I was stumped. I saw very few fish breaking the surface and almost no damsel or dragonfly activity. The only noticeable insect activity was swarms of what looked like caddis flies, but nothing seemed to be feeding on them. As I pulled my raft out at the dock and headed home, I noticed a full moon—maybe that played a role?

It was a strange evening, especially because just a week earlier I had fished the same stretch at 5 a.m. and fish were chasing minnows everywhere.

I fish this section often, but I can't help wondering if there aren't as many fish here as there used to be,  or there is too much opressure here, or if they've moved to another part of the river due to the recent high water.

It's been driving me crazy—especially since I was hoping to put my son on some great fish that night. I'd love to hear your thoughts or ideas on what might have been going on.

Thanks so much,
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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Belize pointers.....January 2026

Hey Peter,

I spent 4 days fishing Belize in early June. Spent time at the Belize River Lodge and El Pescador. 

I had to spend the first day in Belize City due to another commitment I had there, so Richie at District Angling told me about the Belize River Lodge which is 10mins from the airport. It's one of the oldest fishing lodges in Belize, and while the owners are exceptionally nice the accommodations are pretty spartan. They typically fish the mouth of the Belize River for big migratory tarpon, but the day I was there the wind was howling so we stayed inshore and fished the River. Juvenile tarpon and snook were caught, so it was nice to get a bend in the rod but fishing the River was kind of ho hum. Spoke with a couple other guys who had been there for a few days and they had been stuck fishing inshore the whole time and were a little frustrated. All in all, if your schedule means you have a day to burn in Belize City then definitely stay there and fish, rather than some hotel in the city. 

Day 2 I flew to San Pedro and stayed at El Pescador. Along with Turneffe Flats this is probably one of the most well known and highly regarded fishing lodges in Belize. It didn't disappoint. This was how I envisioned Belize fishing to be. Plenty of shots at tarpon (big and small), bonefish on the flats, and large schools of permit. 

I spent 3 days fishing at El Pescador and thoroughly enjoyed it. They welcome you to "their family", and treat you that way. Everyone there knows your name as soon as you step off the shuttle boat from the airport, and they bend over backwards to ensure you're taken care of. The guides were first class, very dialed in to the fishery, and worked to ensure you got your shots in. They are happy to meet you as early as 4am for departure if you like to get a full day in before the wind and heat picks up. As your body clock is still on East Coast time this was easy to do.  We took a 45 minute run each morning up to the national park which borders Mexico to first target tarpon, then worked our way back south hitting the flats for bonefish and permit. The permit schools we found were massive, easily 200+ permit in the 8-10lb range. Bonefish were in the smaller side, and the tarpon there range from the resident 30lb fish all the way up to the big 100lb+ migratory tarpon.

Their "Grand Slam" wall has some of the most well known names in fly fishing on it, with several folks up there for "Triple Grand Slams".  Food is excellent, served family style so you get a chance to dine with the other guests each night. Speaking with other guests, several of them really enjoyed Turneffe Flats for pure hardcore fly fishing, but liked El Pescador more if you want to take a day off from fishing and head into San Pedro for shopping/ dining etc. Sounds like Turneffe does not have much in the way of non-fishing activities, if that is a concern. 

I do have to mention the sargassum weed as it was super thick, and is an annual occurrence during the summer months  The smell will knock your socks off, and rules out any swimming off the beach. Just something to consider if you are taking family who don't fish and planned to sit on the beach reading a book. Likely a no go.  Fortunately you don't fish near it so it's not a factor on that front. 

Hit up Richie as he was SUPER helpful with tips on what gear to take, lines, leaders, flies etc. El Pescador does have a full suite of gear you can borrow too if need be.  The guides will use the flies you bring so don't show up empty handed. They also are grateful if you leave them with a few upon departure. 

I was solo on this trip, but definitely plan to go back again with my son or another fishing buddy. Likely in August as that's apparently prime time for the big tarpon. 

Hope this helps, but feel free to ask any questions. 

Cheers
Phil


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On Aug 16, 2025, at 6:24 AM, peter odell <peterlodell@gmail.com> wrote:

I have a big birthday coming up and want to head to Belize for 4 or 5 days of flyfishing.  I've heard great things about the fishery, but the options seem a little overwhelming.  Tarpon, bones and permit in that order my hoped for targets.

Anyone have any advice on lodging, pros/cons, other advice or even an alternative (has to be warm, Florida too variable that month).  

Thanks in advance - I'm always amazed how wide the knowledge is in this group....

Pete

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