Wednesday, 30 September 2020

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Fly Fishing Islamorada


Yambag,

My second and last post.  Don't knock someone for trying to help someone out. I'm a avid fly fisherman.  Maybe you started on bait, but I've been throwing a fly since I was 6 years old.  Started on native trout in northern Pennsylvania. I'm well into my 50's and have fished around the world.  I tie and make my own rods.  Been fishing the Keys well over 20 years.  I've caught tarpon, reds, snook, bonefish and multiple other gamefish until my hands have bled.  In fact, I don't fish that area so much anymore because it's like shooting fish in a barrel.  Just because you post a lot doesn't make you the "specialist".  Do some research, there's plenty of guides down there that fly fish.  I don't camp anymore, but I stay at lodging around $100 a night and usually can walk or drive less than a mile drive to meet the Captain.   Sounds like you're the source... so hook him up and I'll go back to my rod building. 

Tight lines!


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On Sep 30, 2020, at 23:39, Yambag Nelson <northstreetwreckingcrew@gmail.com> wrote:

To clarify my last post because i think i may have misinterpreted the previous post, a large percentage of guides are not fly fishing only.  Those guys can still be very good assuming they are fly fishermen themselves.  The economics are such that they have to take people who want to bait fish if they want to make a living.   

The issue is there are guides who primarily bait fish but will take a fly fisherman out.  Those are the guides I would avoid.  

On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 11:17:40 PM UTC-4 Yambag Nelson wrote:
I go to the keys almost every year, sometimes twice a year and have done so for the last 15 years.  Islamorada has the most options for lodging and is where the most guides are based out of, but there are plenty of options for both everywhere between key largo and key west.  Personally i usually stay in islamorada but the last few years have stayed at the courtyard marriott in marathon which is a very nice courtyard.  I have also camped at long key state park a bunch which is a great place to camp with a wadeable flat that used to often have bonefish in the mornings on the right tide.  

I'm going to disagree with the last post.  There are guides in the keys who will take you fly fishing but have never caught a bonefish or tarpon on a fly.  Do you really want to pay $700-$800 plus tip for a guy that has never done what you are trying to do?  You really should look for a fly fishing guide.  

The bonefishing around islamorada is improving over where it was a few years ago, but it is still a tough go.  The time of year you are going can be particularly tough as any type of cold weather will result in no bonefish on the flats.  Honestly, that is pretty much the worst time of year to go if bonefish are your target.  Personally if you are dead set on that timeframe i would look to the everglades (thats where most guides will probably push you unless they don't want to make the run) or look more towards the lower keys/key west.   The everglades will be redfish, snook ect rather than bones though.  IF you happen to get a few days of warm weather and no wind in february, tarpon can show up in the backcountry around islamorada.  

I don't have a recommendation for a guide.  My longtime guide retired at the end of 2018.  i have a few days booked with randy stallings this may for tarpon.  Based on phone conversations he seems very honest and upfront but I have yet to fish with him.  i have never fished with any of the guides out of florida keys outfitters but if you can't get a good recommendation i would feel safe getting a guide from them.  Regardless they are probably worth a call just to get a feel for what the fishing will be like the months you are going. 

On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 12:28:56 PM UTC-4 Zman wrote:
Recommend contact Bud n Mary's.  They have reasonable lodging for fishermen and a cast of guides.  Recommend back country fishing in the glades.  You'll have to shop around if you want a fly fishing only guide, but all of the guides there will put you on fish.  Look up Capt Jim Willcox at ultimatekeysfishing.com I've fished with him several times and always came home worn out and sore.  Best day of hard work!

Dan

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On Sep 30, 2020, at 11:16, Jimmy Boehling <jimmyb...@gmail.com> wrote:


Hi all,

I am hoping to plan a trip to Islamorada for a father-son guided fishing trip.  We are aiming for January - February.  Wanted to see if anybody could recommend a good lodge or guide for bonefishing (and whatever else might be targetable) in Islamorada...

I am also not 100% committed to Islamorada, but this is just a spot I have been recommended to go.  Anywhere in the Keys really is where we are looking to go. 

Any pointers would be much appreciated. 

-Jimmy

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Recommended lines for Orvis Access 6wt?

I have an Orvis Access 6 wt  fast tip flex I purchased a few years ago and I have a love/hate relationship with the rod. It fun to cast with a skagit head, but the Clearwater 6 wt fly line I have on it feels like casting a broom. I've toyed around with an old 7/8 wt line I have around and that's a little better.

In an ideal world, this would be my bass and streamer rod for trout, but I frankly don't enjoy fishing it without the skagit head at this point.

I'm not sure if anyone has experience with the Access rods (they don't seem that fondly remembered on the interwebs) but if there's a good line pairing or recommendation for consistency I'd love to try and get some life out of it.
-Will

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Fly Fishing Islamorada

To clarify my last post because i think i may have misinterpreted the previous post, a large percentage of guides are not fly fishing only.  Those guys can still be very good assuming they are fly fishermen themselves.  The economics are such that they have to take people who want to bait fish if they want to make a living.   

The issue is there are guides who primarily bait fish but will take a fly fisherman out.  Those are the guides I would avoid.  

On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 11:17:40 PM UTC-4 Yambag Nelson wrote:
I go to the keys almost every year, sometimes twice a year and have done so for the last 15 years.  Islamorada has the most options for lodging and is where the most guides are based out of, but there are plenty of options for both everywhere between key largo and key west.  Personally i usually stay in islamorada but the last few years have stayed at the courtyard marriott in marathon which is a very nice courtyard.  I have also camped at long key state park a bunch which is a great place to camp with a wadeable flat that used to often have bonefish in the mornings on the right tide.  

I'm going to disagree with the last post.  There are guides in the keys who will take you fly fishing but have never caught a bonefish or tarpon on a fly.  Do you really want to pay $700-$800 plus tip for a guy that has never done what you are trying to do?  You really should look for a fly fishing guide.  

The bonefishing around islamorada is improving over where it was a few years ago, but it is still a tough go.  The time of year you are going can be particularly tough as any type of cold weather will result in no bonefish on the flats.  Honestly, that is pretty much the worst time of year to go if bonefish are your target.  Personally if you are dead set on that timeframe i would look to the everglades (thats where most guides will probably push you unless they don't want to make the run) or look more towards the lower keys/key west.   The everglades will be redfish, snook ect rather than bones though.  IF you happen to get a few days of warm weather and no wind in february, tarpon can show up in the backcountry around islamorada.  

I don't have a recommendation for a guide.  My longtime guide retired at the end of 2018.  i have a few days booked with randy stallings this may for tarpon.  Based on phone conversations he seems very honest and upfront but I have yet to fish with him.  i have never fished with any of the guides out of florida keys outfitters but if you can't get a good recommendation i would feel safe getting a guide from them.  Regardless they are probably worth a call just to get a feel for what the fishing will be like the months you are going. 

On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 12:28:56 PM UTC-4 Zman wrote:
Recommend contact Bud n Mary's.  They have reasonable lodging for fishermen and a cast of guides.  Recommend back country fishing in the glades.  You'll have to shop around if you want a fly fishing only guide, but all of the guides there will put you on fish.  Look up Capt Jim Willcox at ultimatekeysfishing.com I've fished with him several times and always came home worn out and sore.  Best day of hard work!

Dan

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On Sep 30, 2020, at 11:16, Jimmy Boehling <jimmyb...@gmail.com> wrote:


Hi all,

I am hoping to plan a trip to Islamorada for a father-son guided fishing trip.  We are aiming for January - February.  Wanted to see if anybody could recommend a good lodge or guide for bonefishing (and whatever else might be targetable) in Islamorada...

I am also not 100% committed to Islamorada, but this is just a spot I have been recommended to go.  Anywhere in the Keys really is where we are looking to go. 

Any pointers would be much appreciated. 

-Jimmy

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Fly Fishing Islamorada

I go to the keys almost every year, sometimes twice a year and have done so for the last 15 years.  Islamorada has the most options for lodging and is where the most guides are based out of, but there are plenty of options for both everywhere between key largo and key west.  Personally i usually stay in islamorada but the last few years have stayed at the courtyard marriott in marathon which is a very nice courtyard.  I have also camped at long key state park a bunch which is a great place to camp with a wadeable flat that used to often have bonefish in the mornings on the right tide.  

I'm going to disagree with the last post.  There are guides in the keys who will take you fly fishing but have never caught a bonefish or tarpon on a fly.  Do you really want to pay $700-$800 plus tip for a guy that has never done what you are trying to do?  You really should look for a fly fishing guide.  

The bonefishing around islamorada is improving over where it was a few years ago, but it is still a tough go.  The time of year you are going can be particularly tough as any type of cold weather will result in no bonefish on the flats.  Honestly, that is pretty much the worst time of year to go if bonefish are your target.  Personally if you are dead set on that timeframe i would look to the everglades (thats where most guides will probably push you unless they don't want to make the run) or look more towards the lower keys/key west.   The everglades will be redfish, snook ect rather than bones though.  IF you happen to get a few days of warm weather and no wind in february, tarpon can show up in the backcountry around islamorada.  

I don't have a recommendation for a guide.  My longtime guide retired at the end of 2018.  i have a few days booked with randy stallings this may for tarpon.  Based on phone conversations he seems very honest and upfront but I have yet to fish with him.  i have never fished with any of the guides out of florida keys outfitters but if you can't get a good recommendation i would feel safe getting a guide from them.  Regardless they are probably worth a call just to get a feel for what the fishing will be like the months you are going. 

On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 12:28:56 PM UTC-4 Zman wrote:
Recommend contact Bud n Mary's.  They have reasonable lodging for fishermen and a cast of guides.  Recommend back country fishing in the glades.  You'll have to shop around if you want a fly fishing only guide, but all of the guides there will put you on fish.  Look up Capt Jim Willcox at ultimatekeysfishing.com I've fished with him several times and always came home worn out and sore.  Best day of hard work!

Dan

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On Sep 30, 2020, at 11:16, Jimmy Boehling <jimmyb...@gmail.com> wrote:


Hi all,

I am hoping to plan a trip to Islamorada for a father-son guided fishing trip.  We are aiming for January - February.  Wanted to see if anybody could recommend a good lodge or guide for bonefishing (and whatever else might be targetable) in Islamorada...

I am also not 100% committed to Islamorada, but this is just a spot I have been recommended to go.  Anywhere in the Keys really is where we are looking to go. 

Any pointers would be much appreciated. 

-Jimmy

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Anyone Read Game Changer Yet?

No it was a bit more expensive, I paid $60 which included shipping. 

On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 12:54 PM caca...@gmail.com <cacapon14@gmail.com> wrote:
I saw a post about that on is FB today,  Was the signed copy the same price?  It would look good next to my signed Super Bass Flies and Buck Buck Moose....and all the rest of the very obscure outdoor collection my wife will give away in a garage sale some day.  

On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 12:37:58 PM UTC-4 kitch...@gmail.com wrote:
$2.50 a pattern doesn't seem so bad... and a bunch of pictures and concept explanation. I ordered a signed copy from Blane. At some point you're not just paying for the concept, more like buying art and knowledge all in one. 



On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 11:41 AM caca...@gmail.com <caca...@gmail.com> wrote:
No preview on Amazon, and $50 is a little steep for 20 fly patterns.  Any opinions on if the rest of it is worth it?

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Anyone Read Game Changer Yet?

I saw a post about that on is FB today,  Was the signed copy the same price?  It would look good next to my signed Super Bass Flies and Buck Buck Moose....and all the rest of the very obscure outdoor collection my wife will give away in a garage sale some day.  

On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 12:37:58 PM UTC-4 kitch...@gmail.com wrote:
$2.50 a pattern doesn't seem so bad... and a bunch of pictures and concept explanation. I ordered a signed copy from Blane. At some point you're not just paying for the concept, more like buying art and knowledge all in one. 



On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 11:41 AM caca...@gmail.com <caca...@gmail.com> wrote:
No preview on Amazon, and $50 is a little steep for 20 fly patterns.  Any opinions on if the rest of it is worth it?

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Anyone Read Game Changer Yet?

$2.50 a pattern doesn't seem so bad... and a bunch of pictures and concept explanation. I ordered a signed copy from Blane. At some point you're not just paying for the concept, more like buying art and knowledge all in one. 



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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Patterns to tie for the DMV

Soft Hackle Streamers, Gurglers 

Mark

On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 7:54:47 AM UTC-4 Josh wrote:
While stuck at home these past couple of months I decided to try to teach myself how to tie flies.  

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Fly Fishing Islamorada

Recommend contact Bud n Mary's.  They have reasonable lodging for fishermen and a cast of guides.  Recommend back country fishing in the glades.  You'll have to shop around if you want a fly fishing only guide, but all of the guides there will put you on fish.  Look up Capt Jim Willcox at ultimatekeysfishing.com I've fished with him several times and always came home worn out and sore.  Best day of hard work!

Dan

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On Sep 30, 2020, at 11:16, Jimmy Boehling <jimmyboehling@gmail.com> wrote:


Hi all,

I am hoping to plan a trip to Islamorada for a father-son guided fishing trip.  We are aiming for January - February.  Wanted to see if anybody could recommend a good lodge or guide for bonefishing (and whatever else might be targetable) in Islamorada...

I am also not 100% committed to Islamorada, but this is just a spot I have been recommended to go.  Anywhere in the Keys really is where we are looking to go. 

Any pointers would be much appreciated. 

-Jimmy

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Anyone Read Game Changer Yet?

No preview on Amazon, and $50 is a little steep for 20 fly patterns.  Any opinions on if the rest of it is worth it?

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Fly Fishing Islamorada

Hi all,

I am hoping to plan a trip to Islamorada for a father-son guided fishing trip.  We are aiming for January - February.  Wanted to see if anybody could recommend a good lodge or guide for bonefishing (and whatever else might be targetable) in Islamorada...

I am also not 100% committed to Islamorada, but this is just a spot I have been recommended to go.  Anywhere in the Keys really is where we are looking to go. 

Any pointers would be much appreciated. 

-Jimmy

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Friday, 25 September 2020

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Patterns to tie for the DMV

Thanks for all the recommendations.  I think game changers are a little beyond my skill level right now, but I think I have enough to work on one a week once it gets too cold to fish.  I'm very interested in trying the slumpbuster and the kreelex minnow. 

Josh

On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 2:38:15 PM UTC-4 caca...@gmail.com wrote:
feather Game changers cost me more to make that buy I think,  but I cant normally find them quite as big as I like....I know i tie Deer hair is for the art and the challenge. I could catch as many bass on a cork 

On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 2:17:23 PM UTC-4 tperkins wrote:
Oh yea, tie game changers and deer hair bass bugs if you want to occupy your time. I love gamechangers and enjoy tying them even though they are time consuming. I get frustrated when tying deer hair bugs though. 

On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 2:14:46 PM UTC-4 caca...@gmail.com wrote:
I am not an avid trout fisherman.  But I do like to fish for bookies in the park several times a year.  For that I started tying stimulators.   I found that once I got good at those most other small dries seemed easier,  or at least not as hard as they were before.  I would also suggest foam ants.  The cost savings of tying your own flys is a myth unless your tying  foam ants.    

Warm Water-  I tie what I like to tie,  not always what fish want to eat....sometimes it comes together and I catch fish

game changers--  I catch more bass and bigger fish on this fly than any other.

I tie a lot of dear hair bugs too,  but don't catch nearly as much on them.

Again Easy cheap and will catch anything.  Wooly buggers.  

On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 12:54:05 PM UTC-4 James M. wrote:
Hi Josh,

I've really never tied (although the last 6 months have definitely gotten my interest up), so I really have no idea if these are easy to tie or not. I think you might be on to something with terrestrials, though - a foam beetle might be super effective and seems like it might be pretty easy to tie (but this is just me speculating).

Trout:
Elk Hair Caddis
Stimulator
Hare's ear

Warmwater:
Green Damsel Nymph (I love this fly for bass)
Wooly bugger (might be cool to experiment with kreelex, as well as tail length for leech/lizard/minnow emulation)
Clouser minnow

The other thing that was all the rage about 5 years ago that might be really effective around here was the mop fly - they're just a nugget taken off one of those dust mops and lacquered to a hook, but the internet said they were really great.  I would think they'd be ok for both trout and warmwater and instructions should be readily available online.

Have fun

- J

On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 7:54 AM Josh <joshua.fr...@gmail.com> wrote:
While stuck at home these past couple of months I decided to try to teach myself how to tie flies.  All of the resources I have been using have emphasized that beginning tiers should focus on the 4-6 patterns that are likely to be the most productive in your local area.  I definitely have not done that so far, but after having varying success with a number of flies (great deer hair beetle that caught fish vs a terrible griffiths gnat that fell apart when I took it off the vice) I started to wonder what would be the best flies for me to practice tying for fishing in the DMV.  

Setting aside shad flies, which of course I will be tying in January and February, I'm wondering what the TPFR hive brain thinks are the best 3-4 trout flies and best 3-4 warm water flies that a beginning fly tier should focus on for fishing success in the DMV. 

Thanks in advance!

Josh

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Wednesday, 23 September 2020

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} South carolina recommendation

I am looking for a place to camp/fish near Clemson for a night. Any recommendations would be appreciated. 

cheers,
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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Best wading/bank fishing for smallmouth near NW?

If you have a car there are some great small wadable Northern VA streams that you can only do on foot.  With in 30 to 45 mins from NW plus a little hike.   Bull run and Goose Creek come to mind first.  

On Tuesday, September 22, 2020 at 6:59:39 PM UTC-4 rtbre...@gmail.com wrote:
I have that the Upper Potomac has some very good smallmouth fishing; however, I was wondering how much of it accessible without a boat?

I am a broke college student in NW DC and I've been on the search of the easiest water to get to get on a smallie bite.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Best wading/bank fishing for smallmouth near NW?

locally The Occoquan reservoir has them....not in big numbers,  but its fed by bull run,  cedar run and the Occoquan river which all have them,  so they are there also.  (if you can get invited on it I hear lake Jackson has a good population)  Beaver creek in Loudon has a few too.   Outside of that I think you have to go to WV or Western MD like Deep Creek or SW VA like Randolph Jennings.   

On Wednesday, September 23, 2020 at 8:39:03 AM UTC-4 r...@robsnowhite.com wrote:
Not to hijack this bank fishing topic but Art and I had discussed Stillwater smallies. 

Is there anywhere around here that has smallies in a lake or pond? I've never fished them other than rivers. 


For shore fishing you can't beat some of the holes around Chain Bridge. 

Rob Snowhite
 
 



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The Potomac smallmouth population has fished poorly for a few years for a number of reasons, but Maryland DNR is trying different methods, including stocking, to replace weak spawns and recruitment. We'll have to wait and see if that is enough as we support the efforts of our local Riverkeepers. 

If you do have access to a car, but not enough time to get out to the Shenandoah or Rappahannock, let alone the James, Roanoke/Staunton, or New, several of us have found this guide by Steve Moore a handy one to locate access points: https://switchfisher.com/catchguides/wade-and-shoreline-fishing-the-potomac-chain-bridge-to-harpers-ferry/ 

More generally on smallies, I am loving this book of techniques writing by a syndicate of upper Midwestern guides: https://shop.tightlinesflyshop.com/smallmouth-modern-fly-fishing-methods-tactics-and.html. Most of it seems readily applicable to what we see locally with our favorite non-native species.

Hope to see you on the water soon, and good luck with your studies!

Best, 
Owen Williams
On Tuesday, September 22, 2020 at 10:17:35 PM UTC-4 northstreet...@gmail.com wrote:
Do you have a car?  If not you could look at the potomac around turkey run park assuming you can get there.  Worst case you could fish around chain bridge.  Its not awesome smallmouth fishing but probably the best option within walking distance of DC limits. If you have a bike you could pedal along the C&O and look for fishy looking spots on the potomac.  Be careful wading in any of those spots.

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I have that the Upper Potomac has some very good smallmouth fishing; however, I was wondering how much of it accessible without a boat?

I am a broke college student in NW DC and I've been on the search of the easiest water to get to get on a smallie bite.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Best wading/bank fishing for smallmouth near NW?

Rock Creek has smallies. They aren't beasts but are good fun on a light rod. Start in Cleveland Park and poke around all the way down to the Potomac in Georgetown.

On Wednesday, September 23, 2020 at 9:41:56 AM UTC-4 namfos wrote:
I'll echo Owen's points.
Upriver SMB fishing has been subpar for at least 3 years. 
Both books are good references. Steve Moore's book especially for his advice concerning river levels and when & where it's safest to wade.
I'll add that riding a bike on the C&O Canal Towpath is a great way to scout out the fishing in the river and where it has water in it, the C&O Canal. 
Also, I suggest taking a look at some of the publications and maps from the Interstate Commission on the Potomac River Basin, https://www.potomacriver.org/ 

Mark

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Best wading/bank fishing for smallmouth near NW?

I'll echo Owen's points.
Upriver SMB fishing has been subpar for at least 3 years. 
Both books are good references. Steve Moore's book especially for his advice concerning river levels and when & where it's safest to wade.
I'll add that riding a bike on the C&O Canal Towpath is a great way to scout out the fishing in the river and where it has water in it, the C&O Canal. 
Also, I suggest taking a look at some of the publications and maps from the Interstate Commission on the Potomac River Basin, https://www.potomacriver.org/ 

Mark

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Lost Winston 4wt

Let the Beaver Creek Fly shop know too.

Mark

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Pebble Mine Skullduggery

It's creeps like these that give legit and upstanding business people a bad name. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2020/09/22/pebble-mine-secret-tapes/

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Best wading/bank fishing for smallmouth near NW?

Not to hijack this bank fishing topic but Art and I had discussed Stillwater smallies. 

Is there anywhere around here that has smallies in a lake or pond? I've never fished them other than rivers. 


For shore fishing you can't beat some of the holes around Chain Bridge. 

Rob Snowhite
 
 



On Wednesday, September 23, 2020, 07:36:07 AM EDT, Owen Williams <eowilliams11@gmail.com> wrote:


The Potomac smallmouth population has fished poorly for a few years for a number of reasons, but Maryland DNR is trying different methods, including stocking, to replace weak spawns and recruitment. We'll have to wait and see if that is enough as we support the efforts of our local Riverkeepers. 

If you do have access to a car, but not enough time to get out to the Shenandoah or Rappahannock, let alone the James, Roanoke/Staunton, or New, several of us have found this guide by Steve Moore a handy one to locate access points: https://switchfisher.com/catchguides/wade-and-shoreline-fishing-the-potomac-chain-bridge-to-harpers-ferry/ 

More generally on smallies, I am loving this book of techniques writing by a syndicate of upper Midwestern guides: https://shop.tightlinesflyshop.com/smallmouth-modern-fly-fishing-methods-tactics-and.html. Most of it seems readily applicable to what we see locally with our favorite non-native species.

Hope to see you on the water soon, and good luck with your studies!

Best, 
Owen Williams
On Tuesday, September 22, 2020 at 10:17:35 PM UTC-4 northstreet...@gmail.com wrote:
Do you have a car?  If not you could look at the potomac around turkey run park assuming you can get there.  Worst case you could fish around chain bridge.  Its not awesome smallmouth fishing but probably the best option within walking distance of DC limits. If you have a bike you could pedal along the C&O and look for fishy looking spots on the potomac.  Be careful wading in any of those spots.

On Tuesday, September 22, 2020 at 6:59:39 PM UTC-4 rtbre...@gmail.com wrote:
I have that the Upper Potomac has some very good smallmouth fishing; however, I was wondering how much of it accessible without a boat?

I am a broke college student in NW DC and I've been on the search of the easiest water to get to get on a smallie bite.

Thanks!

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Best wading/bank fishing for smallmouth near NW?

The Potomac smallmouth population has fished poorly for a few years for a number of reasons, but Maryland DNR is trying different methods, including stocking, to replace weak spawns and recruitment. We'll have to wait and see if that is enough as we support the efforts of our local Riverkeepers. 

If you do have access to a car, but not enough time to get out to the Shenandoah or Rappahannock, let alone the James, Roanoke/Staunton, or New, several of us have found this guide by Steve Moore a handy one to locate access points: https://switchfisher.com/catchguides/wade-and-shoreline-fishing-the-potomac-chain-bridge-to-harpers-ferry/ 

More generally on smallies, I am loving this book of techniques writing by a syndicate of upper Midwestern guides: https://shop.tightlinesflyshop.com/smallmouth-modern-fly-fishing-methods-tactics-and.html. Most of it seems readily applicable to what we see locally with our favorite non-native species.

Hope to see you on the water soon, and good luck with your studies!

Best, 
Owen Williams
On Tuesday, September 22, 2020 at 10:17:35 PM UTC-4 northstreet...@gmail.com wrote:
Do you have a car?  If not you could look at the potomac around turkey run park assuming you can get there.  Worst case you could fish around chain bridge.  Its not awesome smallmouth fishing but probably the best option within walking distance of DC limits. If you have a bike you could pedal along the C&O and look for fishy looking spots on the potomac.  Be careful wading in any of those spots.

On Tuesday, September 22, 2020 at 6:59:39 PM UTC-4 rtbre...@gmail.com wrote:
I have that the Upper Potomac has some very good smallmouth fishing; however, I was wondering how much of it accessible without a boat?

I am a broke college student in NW DC and I've been on the search of the easiest water to get to get on a smallie bite.

Thanks!

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Tuesday, 22 September 2020

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Best wading/bank fishing for smallmouth near NW?

Do you have a car?  If not you could look at the potomac around turkey run park assuming you can get there.  Worst case you could fish around chain bridge.  Its not awesome smallmouth fishing but probably the best option within walking distance of DC limits. If you have a bike you could pedal along the C&O and look for fishy looking spots on the potomac.  Be careful wading in any of those spots.

On Tuesday, September 22, 2020 at 6:59:39 PM UTC-4 rtbre...@gmail.com wrote:
I have that the Upper Potomac has some very good smallmouth fishing; however, I was wondering how much of it accessible without a boat?

I am a broke college student in NW DC and I've been on the search of the easiest water to get to get on a smallie bite.

Thanks!

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Lost Winston 4wt

So embarrassingly enough I have misplaced a 4wt Winston B2- tube and all.
I think it must have fallen out of the car most likely on a trip to SNP or up at Beaver Md. probably been at least 4 months. Life has been crazy with all the Covid mess and moving.
if anyone happened to find it please let me know. My name is on the rod itself as it was ordered directly from Winston. Happy to pay a reward to whoever has been giving it a good home.

Dan

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Gizzard Shad Job Opening - Ph.D. or M.S. Research Assistantship - Gizzard shad sampling in reservoirs with hydroacoustics

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Best wading/bank fishing for smallmouth near NW?

I have that the Upper Potomac has some very good smallmouth fishing; however, I was wondering how much of it accessible without a boat?

I am a broke college student in NW DC and I've been on the search of the easiest water to get to get on a smallie bite.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Shad recovery efforts not paying off, study shows | Fisheries | bayjournal.com

Thanks! If anyone needs some light reading, the most recent assessment can be found here under Stock Assessment Reports: http://www.asmfc.org/species/shad-river-herring.

The article also mentions at-sea bycatch, which can be found here by clicking 'River Herring and Shad':https://www.fisheries.noaa.gov/new-england-mid-atlantic/commercial-fishing/quota-monitoring-greater-atlantic-region. There are two bycatch caps, one for the Atlantic (sea) herring fishery, and one for Atlantic mackerel. Units are metric tons.


On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 8:34 AM Kevin KB <klb6910@gmail.com> wrote:

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Monday, 21 September 2020

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} New to DC and looking to explore the fly fishing scene

As others have posted, there is alot of fishing to be had around here beyond trout.  if you are interested in chasing trout, the mountain streams can fish all summer depending on rain.  However, the fish will be getting ready to spawn in the next few weeks and most people leave them around during that time.  The next couple of weeks should be ok though.

The shenandoah valley spring creeks are known for their terrestrial fishing and there is still a bit of that to be had.  You can also fish streamers if the water is up.  Some of them like Mossy can get pretty technical.  

The gunpowder in maryland is well known.  I don't love it but others certainly do.  It is close and lots of fish.  You can fish year round there.

The spring shad run is really the epitome of the DC fly fishing experience.  Truly an event unique to DC.

On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 2:34:34 PM UTC-4 Jamie Carracher wrote:
One thing I'd say about winter here in D.C. is that for me there is basically just a month when it's not worth it to go out (Jan/Feb). And even then if you really were desperate you could go to Four Mile Run. And I'm sure there are people who would say every month is worth going out!

On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 12:34:10 PM UTC-4 James M. wrote:

Hi Jimmy,

 

Welcome to the area!  You picked a good place to fish.  In my admittedly biased opinion, the DC area is the best kept secret in the country for fly fishing (or at least diversity of types of fly fishing) – we're in easy driving distance of saltwater, mountain streams, chalk streams, warm stillwater, and a big tidal river system here, which I'm not sure you can replicate anywhere else in America. As Kevin mentioned, there is a ton more fly fishing here than just trout. I'll go kind of season by season with a quick and dirty list of things to try and water to explore.  If you just google the water listed below, there should be more than enough items that come up for access points and directions.  Just be mindful that some might require access permits or separate license stamps.

 

Fall

Largemouth might be heating up again in neighborhood ponds

Stocked rainbows in VA/MD stocker streams (check the VDGIF/MD DNR sites for stocking schedules with COVID)

Brown trout in Mossy Creek, yellow breeches PA, or other spring creeks depending on rain

Catfish/Snakehead might still be good, but I'll admit I'm no expert on these guys

 

Winter

Not much – good tying weather though. Spring creeks might still be OK

 

Spring

Potomac/Rappahannock shad run ~April (this is huge here) – try on the bank around Chain Bridge or rent a boat from Fletcher's

Native trout season, ~March/April-early June – Shenandoah National Park and other mountain streams. Get a map of SNP and pick a blue line – usually there are trails that run alongside them.  The Rapidan is a good one to start with, but you might find it crowded

Trout stocking starts in designated VA/MD waters (again, check the VA/MD websites for schedules)

Brown Trout in VA/MD/WV/PA spring creeks (try some google or search the board here for specifics)

Largemouth spawn in neighborhood ponds and Potomac/tidal basin

Smallmouth spawn in Shenandoah River/other warmwater tribs

Stripers start downriver/bay in April; might find some schoolies during the shad run as well

Snakehead/catfish in Potomac and tidal areas

Maybe some carp in the canal or neighborhood ponds

 

Summer

It's usually too hot for native trout, but you can try the stocker streams or maybe spring creeks

Bluegill spawn in neighborhood ponds (not kidding, especially on the fly)

LMB

SMB

CARP. I've found they're more active in the summer depending on the heat and water level, especially in neighborhood ponds – there are some monsters around here

Snakehead/catfish in the tidal basin

Striper closer to the bay, if you've got access to a boat

 

Lastly, you might want to think about hitting up Rob Snowhite for a local guide session to get familiar with the area.  He'll be able to give you a much more in-depth list of places to go and patterns to try for different local  species.

 

I think that's it.  It's a really cool mix of warmwater and coldwater here with our proximity to the bay and the mountains, so it's easy to stay busy.  It's a great place to be if you like to fish.

 

Have a blast

 

  • J

 

From: James Loomis
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 10:16 AM
To: Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders
Subject: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} New to DC and looking to explore the fly fishing scene

 

Hi everyone-

 

I've just moved to Washington from St. Louis, MO. I consider myself a novice fly fisherman and my experience has been limited to fly fishing for trout in the Missouri Ozarks. I want to develop my skills and further pursue fly fishing as a hobby, and think fly fishing around my new city would also be a great way to meet new people. I popped in the Orvis Arlington store today, and they suggested I post on here to introduce myself and to solicit advice for navigating the DMV fly fishing scene.

 

So, here I am! I'm eager to get out there start learning/meeting/exploring. Any advice on nearby trout fishing spots or meetups (I was told there is a monthly practice session in Georgetown; convenient for me as I live near) would be greatly appreciated. Sorry if this is a vague post-- it is hard to know where to start!

 

Best,

 

Jimmy Loomis

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Casting for Recovery Fly Donations Wanted

What I thought I typed is:

The @theokayfisherman is soliciting fly donations to Casting for Recovery. He just ran a very successful one for Project Healing Waters. Ray's instagram is https://www.instagram.com/theokayfisherman/

I must be losing it. 😜
On Sunday, September 20, 2020 at 7:34:32 PM UTC-4 namfos wrote:
The @okayfisherman is soliciting fly donations for casting recovery. He just ran a very successful one for Project Healing Waters. Ray's instagram is https://www.instagram.com/theokayfisherman/

CFR fly donation.png 

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Patterns to tie for the DMV

feather Game changers cost me more to make that buy I think,  but I cant normally find them quite as big as I like....I know i tie Deer hair is for the art and the challenge. I could catch as many bass on a cork 

On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 2:17:23 PM UTC-4 tperkins wrote:
Oh yea, tie game changers and deer hair bass bugs if you want to occupy your time. I love gamechangers and enjoy tying them even though they are time consuming. I get frustrated when tying deer hair bugs though. 

On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 2:14:46 PM UTC-4 caca...@gmail.com wrote:
I am not an avid trout fisherman.  But I do like to fish for bookies in the park several times a year.  For that I started tying stimulators.   I found that once I got good at those most other small dries seemed easier,  or at least not as hard as they were before.  I would also suggest foam ants.  The cost savings of tying your own flys is a myth unless your tying  foam ants.    

Warm Water-  I tie what I like to tie,  not always what fish want to eat....sometimes it comes together and I catch fish

game changers--  I catch more bass and bigger fish on this fly than any other.

I tie a lot of dear hair bugs too,  but don't catch nearly as much on them.

Again Easy cheap and will catch anything.  Wooly buggers.  

On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 12:54:05 PM UTC-4 James M. wrote:
Hi Josh,

I've really never tied (although the last 6 months have definitely gotten my interest up), so I really have no idea if these are easy to tie or not. I think you might be on to something with terrestrials, though - a foam beetle might be super effective and seems like it might be pretty easy to tie (but this is just me speculating).

Trout:
Elk Hair Caddis
Stimulator
Hare's ear

Warmwater:
Green Damsel Nymph (I love this fly for bass)
Wooly bugger (might be cool to experiment with kreelex, as well as tail length for leech/lizard/minnow emulation)
Clouser minnow

The other thing that was all the rage about 5 years ago that might be really effective around here was the mop fly - they're just a nugget taken off one of those dust mops and lacquered to a hook, but the internet said they were really great.  I would think they'd be ok for both trout and warmwater and instructions should be readily available online.

Have fun

- J

On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 7:54 AM Josh <joshua.fr...@gmail.com> wrote:
While stuck at home these past couple of months I decided to try to teach myself how to tie flies.  All of the resources I have been using have emphasized that beginning tiers should focus on the 4-6 patterns that are likely to be the most productive in your local area.  I definitely have not done that so far, but after having varying success with a number of flies (great deer hair beetle that caught fish vs a terrible griffiths gnat that fell apart when I took it off the vice) I started to wonder what would be the best flies for me to practice tying for fishing in the DMV.  

Setting aside shad flies, which of course I will be tying in January and February, I'm wondering what the TPFR hive brain thinks are the best 3-4 trout flies and best 3-4 warm water flies that a beginning fly tier should focus on for fishing success in the DMV. 

Thanks in advance!

Josh

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