Tuesday, 31 December 2019

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Miami area tips

I was born and raised in Miami (Pinecrest) and go back to visit my parents a couple times of year. While it is a little cool right now, I recommend driving around and stoping at canals along the road looking for peacocks, largemouth, bluegills, Carp, snook, tarpon, and other exotics (we have lots of them). Best bet is to target clearer water around culverts, even better if the water is moving. A lot of times you can see fish but if not, try throwing chartuse Closures, glades minnows, and any other streamers.

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Monday, 30 December 2019

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Miami area tips

You are 10 minutes from Coconut Grove where the Miss Britt docks next to Monty's restaurant.  I took several charters out with Miss Britt during my 6 years in Miami.  First class operation.

https://www.missbritt.com



On Monday, December 30, 2019 at 8:35:00 PM UTC-5, JB Rolter wrote:
I am also going to Miami at the end of January for a family event.  Staying at Vizcaya, on the water is on the water, anyone know if fishing Is doable or good at Vizcaya?  Since it is a family event anything more than an hour or 2 or driving will be frowned upon by all parental and sibling units.  

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Miami area tips

I am also going to Miami at the end of January for a family event. Staying at Vizcaya, on the water is on the water, anyone know if fishing Is doable or good at Vizcaya? Since it is a family event anything more than an hour or 2 or driving will be frowned upon by all parental and sibling units.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Miami area tips

Maurice Gibb Park at eastern end of Venetian Causeway (north side) where it touches Miami beach is a great spot for snappers, grunts, barracuda and whatever is around.  




On Saturday, December 14, 2019 at 10:32:46 AM UTC-5, william garrahan wrote:
I am going to be in Miami/Hollywood area the end of the month and was wondering if anyone had tried do it yourself fly fishing from shore?  Perhaps good cuts or beach?  Also Largemouth in lakes would be an option.

Thanks Bill

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Project Healing waters-comparable

Fountain Head Regional Park on the Occoquan Reservoir is another place to look. They have a 250-foot fishing pier. 

Daniel


On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 1:28 PM Rob Snowhite <rob@robsnowhite.com> wrote:
The Tidal Basin, Constitution Gardens, and Anacostia Park (also has an aquarium) in the city.
Lakes Anne and Audubon in Reston.
Cook Lake in Alexandria.
Burke Lake in Fairfax by the VDGIF ramp.
Occoquan Regional Park by the restaurants.


Rob Snowhite



On Monday, December 30, 2019, 1:25:01 PM EST, Kevin KB <klb6910@gmail.com> wrote:


Hunting Run Reservoir in Spotsylvania has some docks thank might fit the bill.  Not sure how good the fishing is from the docks though. 

Would this be a good case for a canoe or tandem kayak? 

Kevin

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Have friend whose child has brittle bone disease and is wheelchair bound.  He has an interest in learning to fly fish.  Suggestions on wheel chair accessible locations in the DMV.  

Thanks.

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The Tidal Basin, Constitution Gardens, and Anacostia Park (also has an aquarium) in the city.
Lakes Anne and Audubon in Reston.
Cook Lake in Alexandria.
Burke Lake in Fairfax by the VDGIF ramp.
Occoquan Regional Park by the restaurants.


Rob Snowhite



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Hunting Run Reservoir in Spotsylvania has some docks thank might fit the bill.  Not sure how good the fishing is from the docks though. 

Would this be a good case for a canoe or tandem kayak? 

Kevin

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Hunting Run Reservoir in Spotsylvania has some docks thank might fit the bill.  Not sure how good the fishing is from the docks though. 

Would this be a good case for a canoe or tandem kayak? 

Kevin

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Thanks.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Recommendations for fishing near Ski Liberty

Kids going skiing at Ski Liberty 1/3.  Dad going fishing.  Recommendations on public access water nearby?

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Sunday, 29 December 2019

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Vacation (with wife) ideas

I would second Belize, El Pescador lodge is easy to deal with direct as well. Personally I wouldn't travel for bonefish, but tarpon... I would also suggest the keys for easy of access.

If you really have no real budget I would look at Nervous Waters Lodges in Argentina, Pira is a magical place and you can fish for Dorado in Piraña infested waters while she explores the marsh system or lounges while someone makes her cocktails.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Two Medicine River-Montana

I don't know that section of the river specifically, but i was in glacier this summer and camped at two medicine.  My understanding is that the section within the park does have cutthroat but the fishing isn't anything special.  Mostly smaller fish but they are there if you want to wet a line.  I did talk to some guys at a national forest campground just outside the park and they were doing a seven day backcountry adventure in whatever national forest is near the indian reservation on the east side of the park.  One of the rivers they were hiking into was the two medicine and they said the fishing was very good with larger fish available.

In my experience the better fishing in the park is in the lakes.  i hiked into a few while i was there and found some very good fishing.  Like almost too easy to be interesting type fishing if you can find one that is populated primarily by cutthroats. 

i did hike into upper two medicine lake for an overnight backcountry night and found some decent fishing for brookies.  Nothing huge but some decent fish.  You could easily do it as a day trip if you wanted as the hike is only about 5.5 miles but very flat.  There are supposedly lake trout but i didn't catch any.  

On Friday, December 27, 2019 at 9:34:33 AM UTC-5, darbrewe wrote:
My family will be having a reunion at the Rising Wolf Ranch  in Glacier Nat'l Park in July, 2021. The south fork of the Two Medicine River runs right through the property with almost 3 miles of private river to fish. I understand this to be cut throat territory. I would love to hear from anyone that has fished this flow and Glacier Nat'l Park in general.

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Friday, 27 December 2019

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Two Medicine River-Montana

My family will be having a reunion at the Rising Wolf Ranch  in Glacier Nat'l Park in July, 2021. The south fork of the Two Medicine River runs right through the property with almost 3 miles of private river to fish. I understand this to be cut throat territory. I would love to hear from anyone that has fished this flow and Glacier Nat'l Park in general.

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Friday, 20 December 2019

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Christmas fishing around the area?

Awesome, 
Thanks a lot for the ideas and recommendations, I think we are going to hit Yellow Breeches then. 

Happy holidays everyone!



On Friday, December 20, 2019 at 11:23:52 AM UTC-5, Jamie Carracher wrote:
I hit up Big Hunting a few weeks ago and it was not very enjoyable due to the low flows that Andrew mentioned. 



On Thursday, December 19, 2019 at 6:27:49 PM UTC-5, Andrew Sarcinello wrote:
Agree with Rob's recommendation. A little closer to home is Gunpowder Falls north of Baltimore, it fishes well all year.

Big Hunting flows have been low recently - that may have changed with the last rain storm but there is no rain in the forecast between now and Christmas, so it will drop down to very low levels again. 

On Thursday, December 19, 2019 at 5:15:06 PM UTC-5, Naty clementi wrote:
Hello folks, 

Boyfriend and I are looking to go fly fishing around the area (up to couple of hours drive). I was trying to look for some fishing reports for Beaver Creek or Big Hunting Creek but none of them are promising. Any ideas/suggestions?

Thanks
Naty


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I hit up Big Hunting a few weeks ago and it was not very enjoyable due to the low flows that Andrew mentioned. 



On Thursday, December 19, 2019 at 6:27:49 PM UTC-5, Andrew Sarcinello wrote:
Agree with Rob's recommendation. A little closer to home is Gunpowder Falls north of Baltimore, it fishes well all year.

Big Hunting flows have been low recently - that may have changed with the last rain storm but there is no rain in the forecast between now and Christmas, so it will drop down to very low levels again. 

On Thursday, December 19, 2019 at 5:15:06 PM UTC-5, Naty clementi wrote:
Hello folks, 

Boyfriend and I are looking to go fly fishing around the area (up to couple of hours drive). I was trying to look for some fishing reports for Beaver Creek or Big Hunting Creek but none of them are promising. Any ideas/suggestions?

Thanks
Naty


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If the canal isn't frozen carp..

On Thursday, December 19, 2019 at 5:15:06 PM UTC-5, Naty clementi wrote:
Hello folks, 

Boyfriend and I are looking to go fly fishing around the area (up to couple of hours drive). I was trying to look for some fishing reports for Beaver Creek or Big Hunting Creek but none of them are promising. Any ideas/suggestions?

Thanks
Naty


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Thursday, 19 December 2019

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Christmas fishing around the area?

Agree with Rob's recommendation. A little closer to home is Gunpowder Falls north of Baltimore, it fishes well all year.

Big Hunting flows have been low recently - that may have changed with the last rain storm but there is no rain in the forecast between now and Christmas, so it will drop down to very low levels again. 

On Thursday, December 19, 2019 at 5:15:06 PM UTC-5, Naty clementi wrote:
Hello folks, 

Boyfriend and I are looking to go fly fishing around the area (up to couple of hours drive). I was trying to look for some fishing reports for Beaver Creek or Big Hunting Creek but none of them are promising. Any ideas/suggestions?

Thanks
Naty


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The Yellow Breeches always has loads of fish. The drive is under 2.5 hours. You can fish Big Hunting on your way there or back if you take rte 15 in Maryland. 



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Hello folks, 

Boyfriend and I are looking to go fly fishing around the area (up to couple of hours drive). I was trying to look for some fishing reports for Beaver Creek or Big Hunting Creek but none of them are promising. Any ideas/suggestions?

Thanks
Naty


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Hello folks, 

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Thanks
Naty


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Wednesday, 18 December 2019

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Vacation (with wife) ideas

Orvis is also now offering Permit Palooza in addition to Bonefish Bonanza. Permit Palooza is located in The southern Belize city of Punta Gorda at the Copal Tree Lodge. My Wife also enjoyed this eco-lodge as I fished. (Also includes free H3 rod).

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Belize would be a great choice in April.

Also easy flights to Cancun if you wanted to do Mexico. Obviously plenty of resorts and you could shoot down to boca Paila or operations on ascension bay. There are other operations near Cancun or Cozumel, not sure that they would be awesome but you could check.

There will be plenty of sun in the Florida keys in April. Depending on when you go there should be tarpon.

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I would love an excuse to talk to Dan!  That's a great idea and I'd even consider a connecting flight.  Thanks Tom

On Wednesday, December 18, 2019 at 9:27:43 AM UTC-5, TomG wrote:
You might consider going to Belize.  I've taken my non-fishing Wife twice and she's had a great time both times.  Orvis has reasonably priced trips to El Pescadore Lodge called the Bonefish Bonanza (which includes a free Helios rod of your choice).  If interested call Orvis Travel and ask to speak to Dan Davala.

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You might consider going to Belize. I've taken my non-fishing Wife twice and she's had a great time both times. Orvis has reasonably priced trips to El Pescadore Lodge called the Bonefish Bonanza (which includes a free Helios rod of your choice). If interested call Orvis Travel and ask to speak to Dan Davala.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Vacation (with wife) ideas

Check out Woodland Plantation, one hour south of New Orleans. Great old B and B, very ver nice rooms, great food ....and guides who can get you into fun redfish in the marshes of the Mississippi

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I love the idea but I don't see direct flights. I hate the extra time and potential delays associated with connections.

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Turcs and Caicos . Bones. 

On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 6:09 PM Tim Donaldson <timdonaldson@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm wide open in terms of location and budget

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Just making sure.  After doing travel here, and also watching House Hunters International, I've seen both sides of the expectations coin when planning trips.

 

Now I just ask to make sure to understand where the boundaries are.

 

 

R

 

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Date: Tuesday, December 17, 2019 at 5:27 PM
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Subject: Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Vacation (with wife) ideas

 

Richie, Lol!

Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse typos or terseness. 


On Dec 17, 2019, at 4:39 PM, Richard Farino <rfarino@gmail.com> wrote:

Do you and the wife have a budget?

 


R

 

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Date: Tuesday, December 17, 2019 at 4:16 PM
To: Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders <tidal-potomac-fly-rodders@googlegroups.com>
Subject: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Vacation (with wife) ideas

 

I've been tasked with planning an April warm weather 5 day trip and wanted some ideas.  We went to the Bahamas last year and I did a day with a guide, but we want to try someplace different.  So what I'm looking for is:

 

Direct flight from DCA or IAD, no flights longer than 5 hours

High likelihood of warm/sunny weather

Nice resort with pool and spa so wife can get a massage while I'm fishing - Hilton or Marriott if possible since I have points with both

Either good opportunities for walk and wade self guided, OR someplace with a good pool of guides for half day trips not far from resort

 

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!!!!

 

Tim

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Richie, Lol!

Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse typos or terseness. 

On Dec 17, 2019, at 4:39 PM, Richard Farino <rfarino@gmail.com> wrote:

Do you and the wife have a budget?

 


R

 

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Date: Tuesday, December 17, 2019 at 4:16 PM
To: Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders <tidal-potomac-fly-rodders@googlegroups.com>
Subject: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Vacation (with wife) ideas

 

I've been tasked with planning an April warm weather 5 day trip and wanted some ideas.  We went to the Bahamas last year and I did a day with a guide, but we want to try someplace different.  So what I'm looking for is:

 

Direct flight from DCA or IAD, no flights longer than 5 hours

High likelihood of warm/sunny weather

Nice resort with pool and spa so wife can get a massage while I'm fishing - Hilton or Marriott if possible since I have points with both

Either good opportunities for walk and wade self guided, OR someplace with a good pool of guides for half day trips not far from resort

 

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!!!!

 

Tim

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Do you and the wife have a budget?

 


R

 

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Subject: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Vacation (with wife) ideas

 

I've been tasked with planning an April warm weather 5 day trip and wanted some ideas.  We went to the Bahamas last year and I did a day with a guide, but we want to try someplace different.  So what I'm looking for is:

 

Direct flight from DCA or IAD, no flights longer than 5 hours

High likelihood of warm/sunny weather

Nice resort with pool and spa so wife can get a massage while I'm fishing - Hilton or Marriott if possible since I have points with both

Either good opportunities for walk and wade self guided, OR someplace with a good pool of guides for half day trips not far from resort

 

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!!!!

 

Tim

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Vacation (with wife) ideas

Thanks Gregg!  I would be all about that but my wife wants something where warm and sun are more likely.  I think Florida is a crap shoot in April, although I could be wrong.  

On Tuesday, December 17, 2019 at 4:19:21 PM UTC-5, Gregg Rockett wrote:
Have you done the Florida Keys?  There is both Hilton and Marriott product down there and ample guiding opportunities, as well as self guided bridge fishing.

On Tuesday, December 17, 2019 at 4:16:50 PM UTC-5, Tim Donaldson wrote:
I've been tasked with planning an April warm weather 5 day trip and wanted some ideas.  We went to the Bahamas last year and I did a day with a guide, but we want to try someplace different.  So what I'm looking for is:

Direct flight from DCA or IAD, no flights longer than 5 hours
High likelihood of warm/sunny weather
Nice resort with pool and spa so wife can get a massage while I'm fishing - Hilton or Marriott if possible since I have points with both
Either good opportunities for walk and wade self guided, OR someplace with a good pool of guides for half day trips not far from resort

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!!!!

Tim

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Vacation (with wife) ideas

Have you done the Florida Keys?  There is both Hilton and Marriott product down there and ample guiding opportunities, as well as self guided bridge fishing.

On Tuesday, December 17, 2019 at 4:16:50 PM UTC-5, Tim Donaldson wrote:
I've been tasked with planning an April warm weather 5 day trip and wanted some ideas.  We went to the Bahamas last year and I did a day with a guide, but we want to try someplace different.  So what I'm looking for is:

Direct flight from DCA or IAD, no flights longer than 5 hours
High likelihood of warm/sunny weather
Nice resort with pool and spa so wife can get a massage while I'm fishing - Hilton or Marriott if possible since I have points with both
Either good opportunities for walk and wade self guided, OR someplace with a good pool of guides for half day trips not far from resort

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!!!!

Tim

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Vacation (with wife) ideas

I've been tasked with planning an April warm weather 5 day trip and wanted some ideas.  We went to the Bahamas last year and I did a day with a guide, but we want to try someplace different.  So what I'm looking for is:

Direct flight from DCA or IAD, no flights longer than 5 hours
High likelihood of warm/sunny weather
Nice resort with pool and spa so wife can get a massage while I'm fishing - Hilton or Marriott if possible since I have points with both
Either good opportunities for walk and wade self guided, OR someplace with a good pool of guides for half day trips not far from resort

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!!!!

Tim

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Four Mile Run

I don't think I'd advocate orange jumpsuits. :)

Daniel


On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 11:43 AM Rob Snowhite <rob@robsnowhite.com> wrote:
Daniel,

We have discussed river cleanups in the past as a club but nothing has been organized. A decade ago you would see Arlington jail folk out there in orange jumpsuits picking up litter.

 



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Rob,
Why can't that on the bank trash pickup be promoted and done as a TPFR activity? 

Daniel


On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 8:09 PM Rob Snowhite <rob@robsnowhite.com> wrote:
Four Mile took a major beating during that August deluge. This was the worst storm damage to the tidal section I have seen in the decade since I've been fishing there. 

The banks below the Mt. Vernon Bridge were eroded several feet back and about two feet of vertical spaces was removed. 

The bottom was scoured clean for a few weeks before algae could re grow on the rocks and sand. It was rather nice to fish on a pool bottom white stream for a few weeks. 

Several holes were filled in with new sediment, mostly around the northern (Arlington) shoreline which includes the outflow with filled in with about four feet of gravel. At low tide through the end of summer was mostly shin deep. The flow has carved out a bit of a depression but not much. 

Other spots were completely scoured out. Where there was flats (why carp don't frequent those flats for clams is a question I've been pondering for years). There are now holes that are several feet deep at low tide. I've told clients to follow my exact foot steps to turn around and find they walked a step to the right and have filled their waders. I would not recommend you wade through there unless you've been out several times at dead low tide. I watched two anglers today walking around and one fell into one of these new holes. If it was colder it would have been a problem. I went out or an hour or so today and only saw a few largess and one sunfish. I walked the entire loop from Mt. Vernon to Rte 1 and back with not even a nibble. 

Most of these spots don't hold fish at any tide. and have filled in with garbage. 

The area around the fallen tree was filled in while being carved out in other spots. Fish will old at the tree at low tide, we sight cast to a pair of catfish there for several weeks with no luck. 

The end of summer drought also prevented water from coming downstream. The top section from the bridge to the power line was mostly brown and stagnant all summer. No yellow perch or stripers which is normal. 

Any plant life that attempted to grow was wiped out. There hasn't been any plantlike along the fallen tree section in three years across from the outflow. Three years ago you could find several juvenile largemouth in the plants that would strike a fly drifted along the edge. 

The shorelines still remain covered in garbage. The Four Mile Run Conservancy does several stream clean ups but seems to neglect shore. If anyone wants to walk the shore an pick some up one day let me know. Wish we had a plastic deposit here. 

Additionally, the hole on the Alexandria side where the short canal is located was also filled in. There remains a deep scour part right in front of the metal gates but that's about it. 

One of the things I find so charming about 4MR is that it is always changing and you never know what may swim up there or what you may see. One of the cooler things Ive seen in years was this northern brown water snake (Where is Turbine Blade when I mention snakes) taking an American eel out of the water. The eel held on as long as it could and eventually lost its battle. 

Bruce, I hope this helps you in your next outing out there. 






On Saturday, December 14, 2019, 04:58:56 PM EST, Sam Zimmerman <zimmerman.sam@gmail.com> wrote:


You should have seen Four Mile Run in June, 1972 during Hurricane Agnes ---  complete with floating Chevy's from the Rosenthal Chevrolet storage lot  in Sihrlington.  Looked like SPring on the Colorado!!  


On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 5:27:47 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
In case you hadn't been to the warm water outflow lately, the attached picture shows the rather dramatic change in the creek structure from summer high water events.  In the picture the left hand side is upstream from opposite the outflow and the right side is looking downstream.   The moon said I should have been catching fish around noon today but only saw some bait fish. The area just down from the outflow is quite shallow now. The deep hole that used to be at the outflow is gone and maybe 40% of the flow moves towards the Alexandria side.  As usual the tidal drop in the creek there is about 2 hours ahead of the river. I'm thinking about going back about noon tomorrow with the intent of exploring a little further downstream. Looks like what used to be a quick trip to the outflow to catch a few bluegills might be a thing of the past. 



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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Four Mile Run

Daniel,

We have discussed river cleanups in the past as a club but nothing has been organized. A decade ago you would see Arlington jail folk out there in orange jumpsuits picking up litter.

 



On Tuesday, December 17, 2019, 11:38:11 AM EST, Daniel Lazenby <dlazenby4@gmail.com> wrote:


Rob,
Why can't that on the bank trash pickup be promoted and done as a TPFR activity? 

Daniel


On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 8:09 PM Rob Snowhite <rob@robsnowhite.com> wrote:
Four Mile took a major beating during that August deluge. This was the worst storm damage to the tidal section I have seen in the decade since I've been fishing there. 

The banks below the Mt. Vernon Bridge were eroded several feet back and about two feet of vertical spaces was removed. 

The bottom was scoured clean for a few weeks before algae could re grow on the rocks and sand. It was rather nice to fish on a pool bottom white stream for a few weeks. 

Several holes were filled in with new sediment, mostly around the northern (Arlington) shoreline which includes the outflow with filled in with about four feet of gravel. At low tide through the end of summer was mostly shin deep. The flow has carved out a bit of a depression but not much. 

Other spots were completely scoured out. Where there was flats (why carp don't frequent those flats for clams is a question I've been pondering for years). There are now holes that are several feet deep at low tide. I've told clients to follow my exact foot steps to turn around and find they walked a step to the right and have filled their waders. I would not recommend you wade through there unless you've been out several times at dead low tide. I watched two anglers today walking around and one fell into one of these new holes. If it was colder it would have been a problem. I went out or an hour or so today and only saw a few largess and one sunfish. I walked the entire loop from Mt. Vernon to Rte 1 and back with not even a nibble. 

Most of these spots don't hold fish at any tide. and have filled in with garbage. 

The area around the fallen tree was filled in while being carved out in other spots. Fish will old at the tree at low tide, we sight cast to a pair of catfish there for several weeks with no luck. 

The end of summer drought also prevented water from coming downstream. The top section from the bridge to the power line was mostly brown and stagnant all summer. No yellow perch or stripers which is normal. 

Any plant life that attempted to grow was wiped out. There hasn't been any plantlike along the fallen tree section in three years across from the outflow. Three years ago you could find several juvenile largemouth in the plants that would strike a fly drifted along the edge. 

The shorelines still remain covered in garbage. The Four Mile Run Conservancy does several stream clean ups but seems to neglect shore. If anyone wants to walk the shore an pick some up one day let me know. Wish we had a plastic deposit here. 

Additionally, the hole on the Alexandria side where the short canal is located was also filled in. There remains a deep scour part right in front of the metal gates but that's about it. 

One of the things I find so charming about 4MR is that it is always changing and you never know what may swim up there or what you may see. One of the cooler things Ive seen in years was this northern brown water snake (Where is Turbine Blade when I mention snakes) taking an American eel out of the water. The eel held on as long as it could and eventually lost its battle. 

Bruce, I hope this helps you in your next outing out there. 






On Saturday, December 14, 2019, 04:58:56 PM EST, Sam Zimmerman <zimmerman.sam@gmail.com> wrote:


You should have seen Four Mile Run in June, 1972 during Hurricane Agnes ---  complete with floating Chevy's from the Rosenthal Chevrolet storage lot  in Sihrlington.  Looked like SPring on the Colorado!!  


On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 5:27:47 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
In case you hadn't been to the warm water outflow lately, the attached picture shows the rather dramatic change in the creek structure from summer high water events.  In the picture the left hand side is upstream from opposite the outflow and the right side is looking downstream.   The moon said I should have been catching fish around noon today but only saw some bait fish. The area just down from the outflow is quite shallow now. The deep hole that used to be at the outflow is gone and maybe 40% of the flow moves towards the Alexandria side.  As usual the tidal drop in the creek there is about 2 hours ahead of the river. I'm thinking about going back about noon tomorrow with the intent of exploring a little further downstream. Looks like what used to be a quick trip to the outflow to catch a few bluegills might be a thing of the past. 



Bruce Mathews
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