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Tuesday, 31 January 2017

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Cheeky Schoolie Tourney

Hey Gregg!

I fished the tournament last year and will be doing so again this year. It is an absolute blast ran by great folks and solid sponsors.

If you're going to do it, I'd recommend pre-fishing a day or two before the tournament. Last year I was able to pre-fish a couple days before the crowds arrived (340 total participants invade Denis on tournament day) and got to experience my first cinder worm hatch on the first evening, in addition to some spectacular skinny water bass antics in the days leading up to the event. While the big fish eluded us on the day of the event (as is life), it was a really fun time in a really cool place.

The logistics of the trip are pretty easy ...finding the winning fish that's the hard part...I'd recommend flying into Boston or Providence that Thursday night, renting a car, and booking a hotel room in the vicinity of Denis, MA. That way you can pre-fish AND hit the Tournament Pre-Party on Friday all while only missing one day of work. There are some inexpensive motels in and around Denis that can fit the budget if split with your teammate. In terms of cost, it'll probably be a trip in the $300-500 range per person for the weekend including airfare, lodging, rental car, etc.

Hope this helps!

Stay fly,

Rem

On Tuesday, January 24, 2017 at 5:57:47 PM UTC-5, Greggory DiSalvo wrote:

Has anybody here ever done the Cheeky Schoolie Tournament? I've been following it the past few years and it looks like a lot of fun. Kinda a pain to make the trip I'd imagine, but am wondering if there are any first-hand accounts. Experiences?

Gregg

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Christmas Island

Sounds great

I had been there many years ago and while the fishing was good, don't recall any 60 fish days.

Glad to hear it was so good as I had been under the impression that the fishery had declined because of some overfishing.

Would be great to get back there.

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Subject: Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Christmas Island

There are multiple Christmas Islands in the Pacific, the red crab invasion happens on one much closer to Australia, not the Kiribati based Christmas Island (very confusing, as we thought we found the red crab info on one of the local websites.). If you watch the crab video, it shows highways with divider lines and an overpass for the crabs; I can assure you there was nothing like that infrastructure wise where we were. One flight in and our per week, nothing to do but fish, no landing at night.

One highlight was a bonefish spawn, which schools up the big guys a few days after a new moon. My friend andy (first time bonefisherman) caught a 10lb fish his first day of bonefishing. These islands used to be the Gilbert Islands and are about 1200 miles directly south from Honolulu.

On Monday, January 30, 2017 at 2:34:15 PM UTC-5, Jeff Silvan wrote:

Awesome! I'd love to see pictures.

Did you happen to run into any of the red crabs? I imagine this could make for some crazy flats fishing... http://6abc.com/weather/ millions-of-red-crabs-migrate- on-christmas-island/1674934/

On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 11:02 AM, peter odell <peter...@gmail.com> wrote:
Just got back from a great week on Kirimati (Christmas) Island chasing trevally and bonefish, with a stop in the bluewater for tuna and wahoo. Trip exceeded expectations, if you haven't gone, I'd recommend it highly. I went with a group at Crystal Beach Resort, one of about 4 resorts total on the island. Last day was 60 bonefish plus a couple trevally. Used my 6wt for some of the bonefish, but mostly 8wt, and 10 wt (with a honking reel) for bigger fish.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Shad Flies

The works?

On Jan 31, 2017 3:31 PM, <arthur.noglak@gmail.com> wrote:

The works works great! I like on a size 8 though.

Art

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On Jan 31, 2017, at 9:09 AM, tperkins <thomas.perkins1@gmail.com> wrote:

Another vote here for the damsel size 10 scud hook. I normally drop it off a fly similar to what others have mentioned. Green or Pink. Size 4 or 6 hook, marabou tail estaz body bead chain eyes. I get more hook ups on the damsel, but think it all works better when I have both flies.

On Tuesday, January 31, 2017 at 8:51:16 AM UTC-5, TurbineBlade wrote:
This past season, myself and a fairly pregnant Beth really cleaned up with Rob's damsel nymph in olive on about 10" or so of total leader of about 10-pound mono I think it was. I recommend the heavier shank "scud" type hooks -- don't remember the exact model, but a 2x strong, scud hook in #10 was it. If you use lighter wire hooks, in our experience, you'll bend them open after a few shad dive down deep on you.

That said, this question is somewhat like seeing someone shoot a really nice buck and then asking them what kind of underwear they were wearing at the time. Keeping a tight line so you can feel bites is the real trick to me.

Gene

On Friday, January 27, 2017 at 6:40:21 PM UTC-5, Rob Snowhite wrote:
We'll spend March and April beer ties on shad flies. My preference is a 1/16 jig head fly with my damsel nymph about 18" behind.

Google image 'Potomac shad fly pattern' and you see flies by several TPFR members like Alex And Kevin.

Talking to so many people a Somerset about our world class fishery. Telling them how it's the next big travel destination. If only it lasted longer.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 27, 2017, at 5:12 PM, Carl Smolka <carl....@verizon.net> wrote:

Bobby,
Here's another set for shad to get some size and color ideas from.
Tight lines,
Carl S

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Subject: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Shad Flies

Hi Everyone,
Is there anything I should be tying besides clousers to gear up for the shad run? And what size clouser? I have size 2 streamer hooks that I was gonna use. Whats everyone's favorite color combo's?
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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Shad Flies

The works works great! I like on a size 8 though.

Art

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 31, 2017, at 9:09 AM, tperkins <thomas.perkins1@gmail.com> wrote:

Another vote here for the damsel size 10 scud hook. I normally drop it off a fly similar to what others have mentioned. Green or Pink. Size 4 or 6 hook, marabou tail estaz body bead chain eyes. I get more hook ups on the damsel, but think it all works better when I have both flies.

On Tuesday, January 31, 2017 at 8:51:16 AM UTC-5, TurbineBlade wrote:
This past season, myself and a fairly pregnant Beth really cleaned up with Rob's damsel nymph in olive on about 10" or so of total leader of about 10-pound mono I think it was. I recommend the heavier shank "scud" type hooks -- don't remember the exact model, but a 2x strong, scud hook in #10 was it. If you use lighter wire hooks, in our experience, you'll bend them open after a few shad dive down deep on you.

That said, this question is somewhat like seeing someone shoot a really nice buck and then asking them what kind of underwear they were wearing at the time. Keeping a tight line so you can feel bites is the real trick to me.

Gene

On Friday, January 27, 2017 at 6:40:21 PM UTC-5, Rob Snowhite wrote:
We'll spend March and April beer ties on shad flies. My preference is a 1/16 jig head fly with my damsel nymph about 18" behind.

Google image 'Potomac shad fly pattern' and you see flies by several TPFR members like Alex And Kevin.

Talking to so many people a Somerset about our world class fishery. Telling them how it's the next big travel destination. If only it lasted longer.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 27, 2017, at 5:12 PM, Carl Smolka <carl....@verizon.net> wrote:

Bobby,
Here's another set for shad to get some size and color ideas from.
Tight lines,
Carl S

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Subject: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Shad Flies

Hi Everyone,
Is there anything I should be tying besides clousers to gear up for the shad run? And what size clouser? I have size 2 streamer hooks that I was gonna use. Whats everyone's favorite color combo's?
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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Christmas Island

It didn't happen unless we see pictures! Lots of them!!

Ernie

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Christmas Island

Pretty funny, I always knew about the fishing Christmas Island (and is on my bucket list for the next year or two before kids might become a thing), but didn't realize there were multiple.

I feel like catching a 10lb bonefish on your first day will probably ruin bonefishing for someone forever!

On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 8:21 AM, peter odell <peterlodell@gmail.com> wrote:

There are multiple Christmas Islands in the Pacific, the red crab invasion happens on one much closer to Australia, not the Kiribati based Christmas Island (very confusing, as we thought we found the red crab info on one of the local websites.). If you watch the crab video, it shows highways with divider lines and an overpass for the crabs; I can assure you there was nothing like that infrastructure wise where we were. One flight in and our per week, nothing to do but fish, no landing at night.

One highlight was a bonefish spawn, which schools up the big guys a few days after a new moon. My friend andy (first time bonefisherman) caught a 10lb fish his first day of bonefishing. These islands used to be the Gilbert Islands and are about 1200 miles directly south from Honolulu.

On Monday, January 30, 2017 at 2:34:15 PM UTC-5, Jeff Silvan wrote:
Awesome! I'd love to see pictures.

Did you happen to run into any of the red crabs? I imagine this could make for some crazy flats fishing... http://6abc.com/weather/millions-of-red-crabs-migrate-on-christmas-island/1674934/

On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 11:02 AM, peter odell <peter...@gmail.com> wrote:
Just got back from a great week on Kirimati (Christmas) Island chasing trevally and bonefish, with a stop in the bluewater for tuna and wahoo. Trip exceeded expectations, if you haven't gone, I'd recommend it highly. I went with a group at Crystal Beach Resort, one of about 4 resorts total on the island. Last day was 60 bonefish plus a couple trevally. Used my 6wt for some of the bonefish, but mostly 8wt, and 10 wt (with a honking reel) for bigger fish.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Shad Flies

Another vote here for the damsel size 10 scud hook. I normally drop it off a fly similar to what others have mentioned. Green or Pink. Size 4 or 6 hook, marabou tail estaz body bead chain eyes. I get more hook ups on the damsel, but think it all works better when I have both flies.

On Tuesday, January 31, 2017 at 8:51:16 AM UTC-5, TurbineBlade wrote:

This past season, myself and a fairly pregnant Beth really cleaned up with Rob's damsel nymph in olive on about 10" or so of total leader of about 10-pound mono I think it was. I recommend the heavier shank "scud" type hooks -- don't remember the exact model, but a 2x strong, scud hook in #10 was it. If you use lighter wire hooks, in our experience, you'll bend them open after a few shad dive down deep on you.

That said, this question is somewhat like seeing someone shoot a really nice buck and then asking them what kind of underwear they were wearing at the time. Keeping a tight line so you can feel bites is the real trick to me.

Gene

On Friday, January 27, 2017 at 6:40:21 PM UTC-5, Rob Snowhite wrote:
We'll spend March and April beer ties on shad flies. My preference is a 1/16 jig head fly with my damsel nymph about 18" behind.

Google image 'Potomac shad fly pattern' and you see flies by several TPFR members like Alex And Kevin.

Talking to so many people a Somerset about our world class fishery. Telling them how it's the next big travel destination. If only it lasted longer.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 27, 2017, at 5:12 PM, Carl Smolka <carl....@verizon.net> wrote:

Bobby,
Here's another set for shad to get some size and color ideas from.
Tight lines,
Carl S

From: tidal-potoma...@googlegroups.com [mailto:tidal-potomac-fly-rodders@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Davis
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Subject: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Shad Flies

Hi Everyone,
Is there anything I should be tying besides clousers to gear up for the shad run? And what size clouser? I have size 2 streamer hooks that I was gonna use. Whats everyone's favorite color combo's?
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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Shad Flies

This past season, myself and a fairly pregnant Beth really cleaned up with Rob's damsel nymph in olive on about 10" or so of total leader of about 10-pound mono I think it was. I recommend the heavier shank "scud" type hooks -- don't remember the exact model, but a 2x strong, scud hook in #10 was it. If you use lighter wire hooks, in our experience, you'll bend them open after a few shad dive down deep on you.

That said, this question is somewhat like seeing someone shoot a really nice buck and then asking them what kind of underwear they were wearing at the time. Keeping a tight line so you can feel bites is the real trick to me.

Gene

On Friday, January 27, 2017 at 6:40:21 PM UTC-5, Rob Snowhite wrote:

We'll spend March and April beer ties on shad flies. My preference is a 1/16 jig head fly with my damsel nymph about 18" behind.

Google image 'Potomac shad fly pattern' and you see flies by several TPFR members like Alex And Kevin.

Talking to so many people a Somerset about our world class fishery. Telling them how it's the next big travel destination. If only it lasted longer.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 27, 2017, at 5:12 PM, Carl Smolka <carl....@verizon.net> wrote:

Bobby,
Here's another set for shad to get some size and color ideas from.
Tight lines,
Carl S

From: tidal-potoma...@googlegroups.com [mailto:tidal-potomac-fly-rodders@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Davis
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Subject: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Shad Flies

Hi Everyone,
Is there anything I should be tying besides clousers to gear up for the shad run? And what size clouser? I have size 2 streamer hooks that I was gonna use. Whats everyone's favorite color combo's?
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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Christmas Island

Awesome! I'd love to see pictures.

Did you happen to run into any of the red crabs? I imagine this could make for some crazy flats fishing... http://6abc.com/weather/millions-of-red-crabs-migrate-on-christmas-island/1674934/

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Just got back from a great week on Kirimati (Christmas) Island chasing trevally and bonefish, with a stop in the bluewater for tuna and wahoo. Trip exceeded expectations, if you haven't gone, I'd recommend it highly. I went with a group at Crystal Beach Resort, one of about 4 resorts total on the island. Last day was 60 bonefish plus a couple trevally. Used my 6wt for some of the bonefish, but mostly 8wt, and 10 wt (with a honking reel) for bigger fish.

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Monday, 30 January 2017

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Shad Flies

I made my own shad fly that has been super effective and it picks up other fish as well.

The name of the fly is a Red-Headed Flasher.

The original Recipe was a streamer hook. You tie in large deepwater eyes. You then tie in some marabou for a tail and some flashabou. Then you rap to the head with Pearl estaz. The head had a rap of red yarn then overrapped with the pearl estaz. I have changed the pattern over the years to rap the head with red estaz, tied in red thread, and I have tied it in chartreuse.

First picture showes the redheaded flasher in Chartreuse. There is also one in the second picture

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Christmas Island

Awesome! I'd love to see pictures.

Did you happen to run into any of the red crabs? I imagine this could make for some crazy flats fishing... http://6abc.com/weather/millions-of-red-crabs-migrate-on-christmas-island/1674934/

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Just got back from a great week on Kirimati (Christmas) Island chasing trevally and bonefish, with a stop in the bluewater for tuna and wahoo. Trip exceeded expectations, if you haven't gone, I'd recommend it highly. I went with a group at Crystal Beach Resort, one of about 4 resorts total on the island. Last day was 60 bonefish plus a couple trevally. Used my 6wt for some of the bonefish, but mostly 8wt, and 10 wt (with a honking reel) for bigger fish.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} rapidan fire road-anyone been on it lately?

Haven't been up there since Thanksgiving. Driving a stock GMC Yukon XL. It is worse than it use to be when I was up there last summer. But still very passable. Few spots I had to go in reverse a few yards and pick a different line. Worth the drive tho if your friend hasn't seen it. I've fished from NY to AL and still brag about my hometown streams in the park.

Tight Lines,

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Thinking about making a trip up to the Rap tomorrow with a coworker. Has anyone been up there lately? If so, is the road in decent shape for traversing? I've got a 4wd suv with good clearance but would rather not chance it if i can avoid. Thanks!

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: How Cold Is Too Cold?

Thanks, y'all!

Seems like I won't have to wake up at the crack of dawn before striking out to the stream

On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 1:17 PM, Ashley Frohwein <ashleyfrohwein@gmail.com> wrote:

I did best between 11am and ~3pm

On Monday, January 30, 2017 at 12:29:51 PM UTC-5, Andrew Sarcinello wrote:
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My group caught fish between when we arrived at 10 a.m. until about 4 pm, at which time we tried exploring another stream before dark with no success. Basically they were active all day for the time we were there. The lack of evening action could have been the stream, and not the time of day. Though typically in winter I have the most action in midday.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: How Cold Is Too Cold?

I did best between 11am and ~3pm

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James,
My group caught fish between when we arrived at 10 a.m. until about 4 pm, at which time we tried exploring another stream before dark with no success. Basically they were active all day for the time we were there. The lack of evening action could have been the stream, and not the time of day. Though typically in winter I have the most action in midday.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: How Cold Is Too Cold?

James,

My group caught fish between when we arrived at 10 a.m. until about 4 pm, at which time we tried exploring another stream before dark with no success. Basically they were active all day for the time we were there. The lack of evening action could have been the stream, and not the time of day. Though typically in winter I have the most action in midday.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: How Cold Is Too Cold?

Nice work! Think I'll venture out this Saturday, if the weather predictions hold.

Were y'all getting into them between 12 pm and 3 pm or so?

On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Ashley Frohwein <ashleyfrohwein@gmail.com> wrote:

I caught around 10 trout (brown and rainbow) yesterday on streamers and nymphs at a local spring creek. I'd just recommend focusing on springs now and avoiding freestone.

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Went to big hunting today with 2 fellow tpfr-ers. I caught 3 wild browns and missed and lost several more. Water temp was 38.
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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: How Cold Is Too Cold?

I caught around 10 trout (brown and rainbow) yesterday on streamers and nymphs at a local spring creek. I'd just recommend focusing on springs now and avoiding freestone.

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Went to big hunting today with 2 fellow tpfr-ers. I caught 3 wild browns and missed and lost several more. Water temp was 38.
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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Christmas Island

Just got back from a great week on Kirimati (Christmas) Island chasing trevally and bonefish, with a stop in the bluewater for tuna and wahoo. Trip exceeded expectations, if you haven't gone, I'd recommend it highly. I went with a group at Crystal Beach Resort, one of about 4 resorts total on the island. Last day was 60 bonefish plus a couple trevally. Used my 6wt for some of the bonefish, but mostly 8wt, and 10 wt (with a honking reel) for bigger fish.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} rapidan fire road-anyone been on it lately?

Thinking about making a trip up to the Rap tomorrow with a coworker. Has anyone been up there lately? If so, is the road in decent shape for traversing? I've got a 4wd suv with good clearance but would rather not chance it if i can avoid. Thanks!

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Saturday, 28 January 2017

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: How Cold Is Too Cold?

Went to big hunting today with 2 fellow tpfr-ers. I caught 3 wild browns and missed and lost several more. Water temp was 38.

Also went to Fishing Creek. Water temp slightly warmer at 40. That stream is raging right now. Tough to slow flies down enough, but we combined for about a dozen brookies.

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Friday, 27 January 2017

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Shad Flies

We'll spend March and April beer ties on shad flies. My preference is a 1/16 jig head fly with my damsel nymph about 18" behind.

Google image 'Potomac shad fly pattern' and you see flies by several TPFR members like Alex And Kevin.

Talking to so many people a Somerset about our world class fishery. Telling them how it's the next big travel destination. If only it lasted longer.

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On Jan 27, 2017, at 5:12 PM, Carl Smolka <carl.smolka@verizon.net> wrote:

Bobby,
Here's another set for shad to get some size and color ideas from.
Tight lines,
Carl S

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Hi Everyone,
Is there anything I should be tying besides clousers to gear up for the shad run? And what size clouser? I have size 2 streamer hooks that I was gonna use. Whats everyone's favorite color combo's?
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RE: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Shad Flies

Even ugly works, sometimes J

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So pretty much anything shiny?

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Bobby,
Here's another set for shad to get some size and color ideas from.
Tight lines,
Carl S

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Is there anything I should be tying besides clousers to gear up for the shad run? And what size clouser? I have size 2 streamer hooks that I was gonna use. Whats everyone's favorite color combo's?
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