Tuesday, 30 September 2014

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Gunpowder Falls

I've fished there a few times over the past month and have had decent success, mostly on nymphs above Falls Road. My wife Jillian tagged along the last time and promptly caught her first brown trout (see attached).

On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 12:34:22 PM UTC-4, Bob Richey wrote:
Has anyone fished it lately?  I've only been there once but enjoyed it.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Gunpowder Falls

I fished it early September with no luck.
Saw tons of trout but they weren't biting. Heavy pressure from what I can assume. Non of the other fly fisherman were catching anything either.
It was my 1st time up there

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Gunpowder Falls

I haven't been up there in a couple of months, but I've always had *some luck with soft hackles, even into late December last year.   

I was told (by some random old guy with a flask who said "I don't generally drink during the day, but I'm working nights now") that every foot of stream bed in the GP holds about 60,000 trout, and with the low water in the summer you stand a real chance of stomping many fish to death.  

I don't know how many times I've lifted my wading staff out of the stream to find a 26" brown trout impaled on the end of it.  

Gene

On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 12:34:22 PM UTC-4, Bob Richey wrote:
Has anyone fished it lately?  I've only been there once but enjoyed it.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Fall stripers

In the fall I've seen one caught as far upriver is Theodore Roosevelt Island, so they probably make it to Chain Bridge.  The few that I've caught have been near Mount Vernon.

On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 1:49:18 PM UTC-4, Barracuda wrote:
I've never gotten around to fishing for stripers in the fall, but I was thinking about trying it. How far upriver are you likely to find them this time of year? Do they get up to the Chain Bridge area like in the spring?

Thanks.

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I've never gotten around to fishing for stripers in the fall, but I was thinking about trying it. How far upriver are you likely to find them this time of year? Do they get up to the Chain Bridge area like in the spring?

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Gunpowder Falls

Has anyone fished it lately?  I've only been there once but enjoyed it.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Guide etiquette dilemma

I was thinking -- 

On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:40:47 AM UTC-4, D. Walker wrote:
as I read your post, I am imagining your guide to be like Captain Ron....

On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:24:47 AM UTC-4, Cary Pugh wrote:
Like others I have been with a wide range of guides in various countries.  Agree the standards are different for different countries but you should feel the guide is working hard for you and is controlling the few variables that he/she can (your comfort -- within reason -- and his intrusions and distractions being the two main ones as he can't control the weather or the fish).  On smoking I speak up if I want to avoid the smoke (it bothers me but its cultural so I won't tell folks they cannot smoke).  I am guessing you did not think the phone calls related to his guiding business but rather were personal and distracting and that is why they stood out (I imagine most all of us would understand a guide getting calls about booking trips and not wanting to blow off prospective or upcoming business but we expect the guide to handle that quickly and ask if he/she could return the call at a better time, when he is not with a client).  I am less excited about the mary jane.  It is a fact of life but if you are in a boat or riding with him you should not be wondering about how baked he is (or how recently baked). 

I am glad (as a potential client of this outfit -- you never know) that you are bringing to the head guide's attention.  I have not hesitated when I have found exceptional service (either good or bad) to make this known to the outfitters.  Whether they act on it or not is their issue.  And as your post just now shows most folks don't take the time.  Thanks again for doing so.

On Monday, September 29, 2014 4:59:29 PM UTC-4, Miles wrote:
I've just returned from a tropical paradise, where I booked a guide to take me bonefishing. I don't have a lot of experience with fishing guides, so I'm not really sure what to make of that experience. Question to follow:

I was fishing with the #2 guy in the organization, and though we had a good time, I wouldn't recommend him to anybody. First, when he picked me up he smelled strongly of mary jane -- maybe not baked at the time, but definitely spent a lot of time in the oven recently. I'm not anti-cannabis, but it just seemed unprofessional.

Second, at one point we spent about 45 minutes wading directly towards the sun. After that we went to another flat and finally found fish, I had zero depth perception and couldn't cast accurately to save my life. It wasn't jitters: it was blindness. Super frustrating.

Third, the guide smoked at least three times as many cigarettes as we saw fish. I'm not strictly anti-tobacco, but he always seemed to be directly upwind of me, blowing cigarette smoke in my face. The guide also answered his cell phone about a half dozen times while we were fishing. At one point I was watching a sea turtle swim, and he stopped talking on the phone long enough to tell me, "That's a pufferfish." No, bro, it's a turtle. "Oh, yeah." 

Fourth, in a discussion about what tide we were fishing, he told me: "You can't trust tide charts." Which to me is a weird thing for a fishing guide to say. I know there are reasons why tides vary somewhat for a given location, but the basic mechanics of moon, earth, and ocean have been pretty well established for a billion years or so. I was waiting for him to explain, but that was all he said.

Going back to number 1, I'm still not prepared to say the guide was high, but it would make a lot of sense in retrospect. It could also be that he's just a crappy guide. He did eventually find fish, which I did not catch, and I had an adequate amount of fun -- but still.

So my question is: What should I do about this? Is it appropriate to write an email to the head guide and say, 'I had fun, I am not asking for a refund, but I wouldn't recommend this to my friends because 1, 2, 3, 4..."? I think so, but I don't know if this would seem like ordinary non-fish-catching-customer complaints, or whether the head guide would take it seriously. Are these legit problems, or just "This is fishing" type nuisances? I know what counts as professionalism for fishing guides is a bit more lax than other jobs, but it seemed like this guy was still not quite there.

thanks,

Miles
 





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Guide horror stories - we had a guy take us out at Harkers Island. 

He had spent the night before out on the water as he got lost in the fog. He got sea sick. I hooked an albie and he backed up the boat into the anchor line of the only boat around and the fish swam around the line and broke me off. 

He wanted to go in early for 420 time and trade a fried chicken for cocaine with his booty call source. 

He gave us fliers and cards for the local fly shops. They didn't make it off the dock. Straight into the trash. 



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On Sep 30, 2014, at 9:40 AM, D. Walker <williamdaviswalker@gmail.com> wrote:

as I read your post, I am imagining your guide to be like Captain Ron....

On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:24:47 AM UTC-4, Cary Pugh wrote:
Like others I have been with a wide range of guides in various countries.  Agree the standards are different for different countries but you should feel the guide is working hard for you and is controlling the few variables that he/she can (your comfort -- within reason -- and his intrusions and distractions being the two main ones as he can't control the weather or the fish).  On smoking I speak up if I want to avoid the smoke (it bothers me but its cultural so I won't tell folks they cannot smoke).  I am guessing you did not think the phone calls related to his guiding business but rather were personal and distracting and that is why they stood out (I imagine most all of us would understand a guide getting calls about booking trips and not wanting to blow off prospective or upcoming business but we expect the guide to handle that quickly and ask if he/she could return the call at a better time, when he is not with a client).  I am less excited about the mary jane.  It is a fact of life but if you are in a boat or riding with him you should not be wondering about how baked he is (or how recently baked). 

I am glad (as a potential client of this outfit -- you never know) that you are bringing to the head guide's attention.  I have not hesitated when I have found exceptional service (either good or bad) to make this known to the outfitters.  Whether they act on it or not is their issue.  And as your post just now shows most folks don't take the time.  Thanks again for doing so.

On Monday, September 29, 2014 4:59:29 PM UTC-4, Miles wrote:
I've just returned from a tropical paradise, where I booked a guide to take me bonefishing. I don't have a lot of experience with fishing guides, so I'm not really sure what to make of that experience. Question to follow:

I was fishing with the #2 guy in the organization, and though we had a good time, I wouldn't recommend him to anybody. First, when he picked me up he smelled strongly of mary jane -- maybe not baked at the time, but definitely spent a lot of time in the oven recently. I'm not anti-cannabis, but it just seemed unprofessional.

Second, at one point we spent about 45 minutes wading directly towards the sun. After that we went to another flat and finally found fish, I had zero depth perception and couldn't cast accurately to save my life. It wasn't jitters: it was blindness. Super frustrating.

Third, the guide smoked at least three times as many cigarettes as we saw fish. I'm not strictly anti-tobacco, but he always seemed to be directly upwind of me, blowing cigarette smoke in my face. The guide also answered his cell phone about a half dozen times while we were fishing. At one point I was watching a sea turtle swim, and he stopped talking on the phone long enough to tell me, "That's a pufferfish." No, bro, it's a turtle. "Oh, yeah." 

Fourth, in a discussion about what tide we were fishing, he told me: "You can't trust tide charts." Which to me is a weird thing for a fishing guide to say. I know there are reasons why tides vary somewhat for a given location, but the basic mechanics of moon, earth, and ocean have been pretty well established for a billion years or so. I was waiting for him to explain, but that was all he said.

Going back to number 1, I'm still not prepared to say the guide was high, but it would make a lot of sense in retrospect. It could also be that he's just a crappy guide. He did eventually find fish, which I did not catch, and I had an adequate amount of fun -- but still.

So my question is: What should I do about this? Is it appropriate to write an email to the head guide and say, 'I had fun, I am not asking for a refund, but I wouldn't recommend this to my friends because 1, 2, 3, 4..."? I think so, but I don't know if this would seem like ordinary non-fish-catching-customer complaints, or whether the head guide would take it seriously. Are these legit problems, or just "This is fishing" type nuisances? I know what counts as professionalism for fishing guides is a bit more lax than other jobs, but it seemed like this guy was still not quite there.

thanks,

Miles
 





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as I read your post, I am imagining your guide to be like Captain Ron....

On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:24:47 AM UTC-4, Cary Pugh wrote:
Like others I have been with a wide range of guides in various countries.  Agree the standards are different for different countries but you should feel the guide is working hard for you and is controlling the few variables that he/she can (your comfort -- within reason -- and his intrusions and distractions being the two main ones as he can't control the weather or the fish).  On smoking I speak up if I want to avoid the smoke (it bothers me but its cultural so I won't tell folks they cannot smoke).  I am guessing you did not think the phone calls related to his guiding business but rather were personal and distracting and that is why they stood out (I imagine most all of us would understand a guide getting calls about booking trips and not wanting to blow off prospective or upcoming business but we expect the guide to handle that quickly and ask if he/she could return the call at a better time, when he is not with a client).  I am less excited about the mary jane.  It is a fact of life but if you are in a boat or riding with him you should not be wondering about how baked he is (or how recently baked). 

I am glad (as a potential client of this outfit -- you never know) that you are bringing to the head guide's attention.  I have not hesitated when I have found exceptional service (either good or bad) to make this known to the outfitters.  Whether they act on it or not is their issue.  And as your post just now shows most folks don't take the time.  Thanks again for doing so.

On Monday, September 29, 2014 4:59:29 PM UTC-4, Miles wrote:
I've just returned from a tropical paradise, where I booked a guide to take me bonefishing. I don't have a lot of experience with fishing guides, so I'm not really sure what to make of that experience. Question to follow:

I was fishing with the #2 guy in the organization, and though we had a good time, I wouldn't recommend him to anybody. First, when he picked me up he smelled strongly of mary jane -- maybe not baked at the time, but definitely spent a lot of time in the oven recently. I'm not anti-cannabis, but it just seemed unprofessional.

Second, at one point we spent about 45 minutes wading directly towards the sun. After that we went to another flat and finally found fish, I had zero depth perception and couldn't cast accurately to save my life. It wasn't jitters: it was blindness. Super frustrating.

Third, the guide smoked at least three times as many cigarettes as we saw fish. I'm not strictly anti-tobacco, but he always seemed to be directly upwind of me, blowing cigarette smoke in my face. The guide also answered his cell phone about a half dozen times while we were fishing. At one point I was watching a sea turtle swim, and he stopped talking on the phone long enough to tell me, "That's a pufferfish." No, bro, it's a turtle. "Oh, yeah." 

Fourth, in a discussion about what tide we were fishing, he told me: "You can't trust tide charts." Which to me is a weird thing for a fishing guide to say. I know there are reasons why tides vary somewhat for a given location, but the basic mechanics of moon, earth, and ocean have been pretty well established for a billion years or so. I was waiting for him to explain, but that was all he said.

Going back to number 1, I'm still not prepared to say the guide was high, but it would make a lot of sense in retrospect. It could also be that he's just a crappy guide. He did eventually find fish, which I did not catch, and I had an adequate amount of fun -- but still.

So my question is: What should I do about this? Is it appropriate to write an email to the head guide and say, 'I had fun, I am not asking for a refund, but I wouldn't recommend this to my friends because 1, 2, 3, 4..."? I think so, but I don't know if this would seem like ordinary non-fish-catching-customer complaints, or whether the head guide would take it seriously. Are these legit problems, or just "This is fishing" type nuisances? I know what counts as professionalism for fishing guides is a bit more lax than other jobs, but it seemed like this guy was still not quite there.

thanks,

Miles
 





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Like others I have been with a wide range of guides in various countries.  Agree the standards are different for different countries but you should feel the guide is working hard for you and is controlling the few variables that he/she can (your comfort -- within reason -- and his intrusions and distractions being the two main ones as he can't control the weather or the fish).  On smoking I speak up if I want to avoid the smoke (it bothers me but its cultural so I won't tell folks they cannot smoke).  I am guessing you did not think the phone calls related to his guiding business but rather were personal and distracting and that is why they stood out (I imagine most all of us would understand a guide getting calls about booking trips and not wanting to blow off prospective or upcoming business but we expect the guide to handle that quickly and ask if he/she could return the call at a better time, when he is not with a client).  I am less excited about the mary jane.  It is a fact of life but if you are in a boat or riding with him you should not be wondering about how baked he is (or how recently baked). 

I am glad (as a potential client of this outfit -- you never know) that you are bringing to the head guide's attention.  I have not hesitated when I have found exceptional service (either good or bad) to make this known to the outfitters.  Whether they act on it or not is their issue.  And as your post just now shows most folks don't take the time.  Thanks again for doing so.

On Monday, September 29, 2014 4:59:29 PM UTC-4, Miles wrote:
I've just returned from a tropical paradise, where I booked a guide to take me bonefishing. I don't have a lot of experience with fishing guides, so I'm not really sure what to make of that experience. Question to follow:

I was fishing with the #2 guy in the organization, and though we had a good time, I wouldn't recommend him to anybody. First, when he picked me up he smelled strongly of mary jane -- maybe not baked at the time, but definitely spent a lot of time in the oven recently. I'm not anti-cannabis, but it just seemed unprofessional.

Second, at one point we spent about 45 minutes wading directly towards the sun. After that we went to another flat and finally found fish, I had zero depth perception and couldn't cast accurately to save my life. It wasn't jitters: it was blindness. Super frustrating.

Third, the guide smoked at least three times as many cigarettes as we saw fish. I'm not strictly anti-tobacco, but he always seemed to be directly upwind of me, blowing cigarette smoke in my face. The guide also answered his cell phone about a half dozen times while we were fishing. At one point I was watching a sea turtle swim, and he stopped talking on the phone long enough to tell me, "That's a pufferfish." No, bro, it's a turtle. "Oh, yeah." 

Fourth, in a discussion about what tide we were fishing, he told me: "You can't trust tide charts." Which to me is a weird thing for a fishing guide to say. I know there are reasons why tides vary somewhat for a given location, but the basic mechanics of moon, earth, and ocean have been pretty well established for a billion years or so. I was waiting for him to explain, but that was all he said.

Going back to number 1, I'm still not prepared to say the guide was high, but it would make a lot of sense in retrospect. It could also be that he's just a crappy guide. He did eventually find fish, which I did not catch, and I had an adequate amount of fun -- but still.

So my question is: What should I do about this? Is it appropriate to write an email to the head guide and say, 'I had fun, I am not asking for a refund, but I wouldn't recommend this to my friends because 1, 2, 3, 4..."? I think so, but I don't know if this would seem like ordinary non-fish-catching-customer complaints, or whether the head guide would take it seriously. Are these legit problems, or just "This is fishing" type nuisances? I know what counts as professionalism for fishing guides is a bit more lax than other jobs, but it seemed like this guy was still not quite there.

thanks,

Miles
 





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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Guide etiquette dilemma

I sent an email late last night, and the head guy emailed me back almost right away to apologize. He said he never gets much feedback about the #2 guy's guiding, so he thanked me and offered to take me out the next time I'm down, no charge.

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Monday, 29 September 2014

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Guide etiquette dilemma

i would write and express your concerns but the rules in some places are quite a bit different than what we expect in the U.S.  I have fished with guides in South America who were literally spending their off days learning to fish.  They were nice guys but were virtually useless beyond taking me to fishing spots.  That's just how it is.

On Monday, September 29, 2014 4:59:29 PM UTC-4, Miles wrote:
I've just returned from a tropical paradise, where I booked a guide to take me bonefishing. I don't have a lot of experience with fishing guides, so I'm not really sure what to make of that experience. Question to follow:

I was fishing with the #2 guy in the organization, and though we had a good time, I wouldn't recommend him to anybody. First, when he picked me up he smelled strongly of mary jane -- maybe not baked at the time, but definitely spent a lot of time in the oven recently. I'm not anti-cannabis, but it just seemed unprofessional.

Second, at one point we spent about 45 minutes wading directly towards the sun. After that we went to another flat and finally found fish, I had zero depth perception and couldn't cast accurately to save my life. It wasn't jitters: it was blindness. Super frustrating.

Third, the guide smoked at least three times as many cigarettes as we saw fish. I'm not strictly anti-tobacco, but he always seemed to be directly upwind of me, blowing cigarette smoke in my face. The guide also answered his cell phone about a half dozen times while we were fishing. At one point I was watching a sea turtle swim, and he stopped talking on the phone long enough to tell me, "That's a pufferfish." No, bro, it's a turtle. "Oh, yeah." 

Fourth, in a discussion about what tide we were fishing, he told me: "You can't trust tide charts." Which to me is a weird thing for a fishing guide to say. I know there are reasons why tides vary somewhat for a given location, but the basic mechanics of moon, earth, and ocean have been pretty well established for a billion years or so. I was waiting for him to explain, but that was all he said.

Going back to number 1, I'm still not prepared to say the guide was high, but it would make a lot of sense in retrospect. It could also be that he's just a crappy guide. He did eventually find fish, which I did not catch, and I had an adequate amount of fun -- but still.

So my question is: What should I do about this? Is it appropriate to write an email to the head guide and say, 'I had fun, I am not asking for a refund, but I wouldn't recommend this to my friends because 1, 2, 3, 4..."? I think so, but I don't know if this would seem like ordinary non-fish-catching-customer complaints, or whether the head guide would take it seriously. Are these legit problems, or just "This is fishing" type nuisances? I know what counts as professionalism for fishing guides is a bit more lax than other jobs, but it seemed like this guy was still not quite there.

thanks,

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Guide etiquette dilemma

Thanks, everybody. Even just writing it out, I felt like I needed to get in touch with the head guide. I kept remembering new stupid stuff my guy did. I'll drop him a note.

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Fish or not, in my opinion you should always feel that a guide is working as hard as possible to provide the best experience for you. I'd go with your gut on this one.

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Sorry, but you need to harsh that guy's mellow. Smoking permission should have been asked. The potential "smoking" isn't a problem with me as long as it doesn't affect the guides ability. Sounds like his was affected.

I would definitely send a letter/email to the guide service.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Guide etiquette dilemma

I have hired guides all over this half of the country and have found a couple bad ones, but this seems like an extra-bad experience. I've had guides answer the phone before, but it's typically only been to get/share intel on fishing conditions. Personal conversations shouldn't be happening while he's on the clock for you. With the wading, I'm not sure exactly how the trip was set up, but if you needed to get from point A to point B, going directly into the sun may have been the only option. A good guide would do his best to minimize the impact of poor conditions, though. I would definitely send a note to the head guide and let him know about your experience. For many outfits, word of mouth is the most important source of business. A poor experience doesn't bode well for a guide service. Luckily for them, you didn't post the name, but many would have.

Lastly, with the tide charts... there's some really weird anomalies going on right now, particularly in the Gulf. I just got off the water a couple hours ago from a 3-day trip for redfish in Louisiana (well, one and a half days due to terrible weather), and no one can understand what's going on with the water conditions. The tides are generally around the times predicted, but have been off by about an hour or two depending on the day. Additionally, the water levels are just WAY off predicted, and again, have been all month despite no storms or significant sources of wind pushing the water up. Heck, there was a north wind today which should have blown water out of the marsh, but the tides were still three feet over predicted heights.

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 5:15 PM, Richard Farino <richard@urbanangler.com> wrote:
Miles,

If that's the #2 guy, that needs to be a 1-man operation.  People can argue about other folks nitpicking at everything someone does wrong on a trip, but you sometimes need to speak up.  He should know what he's doing… but if the cigarette smoke bothers you, mention it so he can get downwind.

Were the phone calls to other guides about conditions?  Fishing reports?  Sun in your eyes – did you ask him how he's able to see fish with the glare/sun in front?

Lastly, you work(ed?) for the big O in Clarendon.  Don't be afraid to let the guide know you can't recommend his outfit for those reasons.  You're not pulling a trump card, you're just being honest.

The mary jane is a fact of life.  You're fishing with an island guy in a tropical location and people are laid back and do whatever.  You have to understand the vibe, man…  


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From: Miles <md@oppidi.net>
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Subject: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Guide etiquette dilemma

I've just returned from a tropical paradise, where I booked a guide to take me bonefishing. I don't have a lot of experience with fishing guides, so I'm not really sure what to make of that experience. Question to follow:

I was fishing with the #2 guy in the organization, and though we had a good time, I wouldn't recommend him to anybody. First, when he picked me up he smelled strongly of mary jane -- maybe not baked at the time, but definitely spent a lot of time in the oven recently. I'm not anti-cannabis, but it just seemed unprofessional.

Second, at one point we spent about 45 minutes wading directly towards the sun. After that we went to another flat and finally found fish, I had zero depth perception and couldn't cast accurately to save my life. It wasn't jitters: it was blindness. Super frustrating.

Third, the guide smoked at least three times as many cigarettes as we saw fish. I'm not strictly anti-tobacco, but he always seemed to be directly upwind of me, blowing cigarette smoke in my face. The guide also answered his cell phone about a half dozen times while we were fishing. At one point I was watching a sea turtle swim, and he stopped talking on the phone long enough to tell me, "That's a pufferfish." No, bro, it's a turtle. "Oh, yeah." 

Fourth, in a discussion about what tide we were fishing, he told me: "You can't trust tide charts." Which to me is a weird thing for a fishing guide to say. I know there are reasons why tides vary somewhat for a given location, but the basic mechanics of moon, earth, and ocean have been pretty well established for a billion years or so. I was waiting for him to explain, but that was all he said.

Going back to number 1, I'm still not prepared to say the guide was high, but it would make a lot of sense in retrospect. It could also be that he's just a crappy guide. He did eventually find fish, which I did not catch, and I had an adequate amount of fun -- but still.

So my question is: What should I do about this? Is it appropriate to write an email to the head guide and say, 'I had fun, I am not asking for a refund, but I wouldn't recommend this to my friends because 1, 2, 3, 4..."? I think so, but I don't know if this would seem like ordinary non-fish-catching-customer complaints, or whether the head guide would take it seriously. Are these legit problems, or just "This is fishing" type nuisances? I know what counts as professionalism for fishing guides is a bit more lax than other jobs, but it seemed like this guy was still not quite there.

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Miles,

If that’s the #2 guy, that needs to be a 1-man operation.  People can argue about other folks nitpicking at everything someone does wrong on a trip, but you sometimes need to speak up.  He should know what he’s doing… but if the cigarette smoke bothers you, mention it so he can get downwind.

Were the phone calls to other guides about conditions?  Fishing reports?  Sun in your eyes – did you ask him how he’s able to see fish with the glare/sun in front?

Lastly, you work(ed?) for the big O in Clarendon.  Don’t be afraid to let the guide know you can’t recommend his outfit for those reasons.  You’re not pulling a trump card, you’re just being honest.

The mary jane is a fact of life.  You’re fishing with an island guy in a tropical location and people are laid back and do whatever.  You have to understand the vibe, man…  


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From: Miles <md@oppidi.net>
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Subject: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Guide etiquette dilemma

I've just returned from a tropical paradise, where I booked a guide to take me bonefishing. I don't have a lot of experience with fishing guides, so I'm not really sure what to make of that experience. Question to follow:

I was fishing with the #2 guy in the organization, and though we had a good time, I wouldn't recommend him to anybody. First, when he picked me up he smelled strongly of mary jane -- maybe not baked at the time, but definitely spent a lot of time in the oven recently. I'm not anti-cannabis, but it just seemed unprofessional.

Second, at one point we spent about 45 minutes wading directly towards the sun. After that we went to another flat and finally found fish, I had zero depth perception and couldn't cast accurately to save my life. It wasn't jitters: it was blindness. Super frustrating.

Third, the guide smoked at least three times as many cigarettes as we saw fish. I'm not strictly anti-tobacco, but he always seemed to be directly upwind of me, blowing cigarette smoke in my face. The guide also answered his cell phone about a half dozen times while we were fishing. At one point I was watching a sea turtle swim, and he stopped talking on the phone long enough to tell me, "That's a pufferfish." No, bro, it's a turtle. "Oh, yeah." 

Fourth, in a discussion about what tide we were fishing, he told me: "You can't trust tide charts." Which to me is a weird thing for a fishing guide to say. I know there are reasons why tides vary somewhat for a given location, but the basic mechanics of moon, earth, and ocean have been pretty well established for a billion years or so. I was waiting for him to explain, but that was all he said.

Going back to number 1, I'm still not prepared to say the guide was high, but it would make a lot of sense in retrospect. It could also be that he's just a crappy guide. He did eventually find fish, which I did not catch, and I had an adequate amount of fun -- but still.

So my question is: What should I do about this? Is it appropriate to write an email to the head guide and say, 'I had fun, I am not asking for a refund, but I wouldn't recommend this to my friends because 1, 2, 3, 4..."? I think so, but I don't know if this would seem like ordinary non-fish-catching-customer complaints, or whether the head guide would take it seriously. Are these legit problems, or just "This is fishing" type nuisances? I know what counts as professionalism for fishing guides is a bit more lax than other jobs, but it seemed like this guy was still not quite there.

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I've just returned from a tropical paradise, where I booked a guide to take me bonefishing. I don't have a lot of experience with fishing guides, so I'm not really sure what to make of that experience. Question to follow:

I was fishing with the #2 guy in the organization, and though we had a good time, I wouldn't recommend him to anybody. First, when he picked me up he smelled strongly of mary jane -- maybe not baked at the time, but definitely spent a lot of time in the oven recently. I'm not anti-cannabis, but it just seemed unprofessional.

Second, at one point we spent about 45 minutes wading directly towards the sun. After that we went to another flat and finally found fish, I had zero depth perception and couldn't cast accurately to save my life. It wasn't jitters: it was blindness. Super frustrating.

Third, the guide smoked at least three times as many cigarettes as we saw fish. I'm not strictly anti-tobacco, but he always seemed to be directly upwind of me, blowing cigarette smoke in my face. The guide also answered his cell phone about a half dozen times while we were fishing. At one point I was watching a sea turtle swim, and he stopped talking on the phone long enough to tell me, "That's a pufferfish." No, bro, it's a turtle. "Oh, yeah." 

Fourth, in a discussion about what tide we were fishing, he told me: "You can't trust tide charts." Which to me is a weird thing for a fishing guide to say. I know there are reasons why tides vary somewhat for a given location, but the basic mechanics of moon, earth, and ocean have been pretty well established for a billion years or so. I was waiting for him to explain, but that was all he said.

Going back to number 1, I'm still not prepared to say the guide was high, but it would make a lot of sense in retrospect. It could also be that he's just a crappy guide. He did eventually find fish, which I did not catch, and I had an adequate amount of fun -- but still.

So my question is: What should I do about this? Is it appropriate to write an email to the head guide and say, 'I had fun, I am not asking for a refund, but I wouldn't recommend this to my friends because 1, 2, 3, 4..."? I think so, but I don't know if this would seem like ordinary non-fish-catching-customer complaints, or whether the head guide would take it seriously. Are these legit problems, or just "This is fishing" type nuisances? I know what counts as professionalism for fishing guides is a bit more lax than other jobs, but it seemed like this guy was still not quite there.

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Miles
 





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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Sandy Point

Hello -

I fished Sandy Point on Saturday evening from my kayak.  I don't have much successful, unguided experience with fly rods in saltwater, but I thought I did everything "right."  I was there during high tide, on the "inside" of structure, namely the Bay Bridge.  I cast into schools of baitfish I saw breaking, throwing the usual mix of clousers and deceivers on sink-tip line.  I was even casting competently.  

There didn't seem to be much going on, not even the jetty people seemed to be catching.  I saw maybe two actual big fish, probably either blues or striper break. Is it just a bad day, is Sandy Point overfished or am I overlooking something?

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Northwest Branch Watershed

Thanks for the info and the link.
On Monday, September 29, 2014 2:22:13 PM UTC-4, Ryan D wrote:
Apparently it's stocked from rt 410 up to Randolph. So both sides of rt29. However, I just took a glance at the 214 stocking scheduled at it's not listed. So that might be bad news.

Schedule:
http://dnr2.maryland.gov/Fisheries/Pages/trout/stocking.aspx

There is a pretty good map in that link too.



On Monday, September 29, 2014 2:13:27 PM UTC-4, Bob Richey wrote:
I'm giving this a bump, I'd be interested to know, too.  Which side of 29 is stocked?
On Monday, September 29, 2014 1:46:48 PM UTC-4, Ryan D wrote:
Does anyone have any experience fishing the Northwest Branch Watershed near rt29 in MD?  Good, bad?  I didn't realize there were stocked trout waters so close to where I work.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Striped bass between Occoquan and 301

I fished the Occoquan today.  The conditions were right; for a while.  After about 2 it was like the water was shut off and the water was barely flowing.  It was a bit odd.

None the less..IT HAS BEGUN!

First fish of the day was close to 24" and it fought well.  The hit about ripped the rod out of my hands and it took off.  It took a little of line off of the reel. 

While the water was flowing I caught 4 fish.  This was from around 1:15 to 2.  I also had a few hook-ups where I lost the fish (at least 4). 

I noticed that the quality of the fish that I was landing was better than the ones I caught last year.  They were MUCH fatter.  Even the smaller schoolies were heavy. 

Another thing I noticed is that the bait is starting to bunch up in the back of the river.  If the water if flowing tomorrow I will go again, two hours after high tide.  The conditions are right so, when there is current, it has the potential to be awesome!


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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Northwest Branch Watershed

Apparently it's stocked from rt 410 up to Randolph. So both sides of rt29. However, I just took a glance at the 214 stocking scheduled at it's not listed. So that might be bad news.

Schedule:
http://dnr2.maryland.gov/Fisheries/Pages/trout/stocking.aspx

There is a pretty good map in that link too.



On Monday, September 29, 2014 2:13:27 PM UTC-4, Bob Richey wrote:
I'm giving this a bump, I'd be interested to know, too.  Which side of 29 is stocked?
On Monday, September 29, 2014 1:46:48 PM UTC-4, Ryan D wrote:
Does anyone have any experience fishing the Northwest Branch Watershed near rt29 in MD?  Good, bad?  I didn't realize there were stocked trout waters so close to where I work.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Northwest Branch Watershed

I'm giving this a bump, I'd be interested to know, too.  Which side of 29 is stocked?
On Monday, September 29, 2014 1:46:48 PM UTC-4, Ryan D wrote:
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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Salmon River Trip Oct 4th-6th Anyone ?

Definitely the first time I have ever heard someone suggest that the lower fly gets less people!  Place is a nightmare...
 
I do agree with you that you can get some water somewhat to yourself if you are willing to walk. 

On Thursday, September 25, 2014 4:27:39 PM UTC-4, Vo wrote:
Hey All,
              Dave Jamieson and I are planning on heading up to the Salmon River Oct 4-6. At this point we have one space open on the trip would anyone like to join us ? I know what some of you are thinking: Salmon River on a weekend, peak of the Salmon equals crowds and combat fishing not necessarily. Yes there are going to be lots people fishing the Salmon,but if you are willing to do some walking, you can get away from the crowds plus the Fly Fishing only sections get less people.

The plan is leave early Saturday morning hopefully get a little fishing in Saturday late afternoon/evening, fish all day Sunday, fish Monday morning till early afternoon and drive back to the D.C. area. Dave recently hurt his shoulder and may have to bail on the trip, should know by this weekend if he can make it or not. We have a room at the Mid River Lodge in Altmar with 3 beds. So anyone want to join us and split transportation and lodging cost let me know.  Also if Dave has to bail, I would prefer Not taking my vehicle, only because my Nissan X Terra literally has 394,000 miles on it, original engine.   


Vladimir ( Vo )  240-481-7832        

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Harry Murray on Carp Fishing

lol so true.  Everything is "murrays this or that".  Reminds me of Fran Betters up on the ausable.

On Friday, September 26, 2014 1:01:20 PM UTC-4, Gs Feder wrote:
I also find a bit annoying that every recommendation Harry makes is for something he has "invented" or sells. But he sure has spent a lot of time in the SNP and on the Shennandoah over the years. 
 
Cheers,
 
-- Greg


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Good article.  I read through some of the stuff on Murray's website once in a while if I think about it.  There's some useful information there. 

The only criticism I have is that the "reports" sometimes seem sort of generic.  No biggie.  

Gene



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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Harry Murray on Carp Fishing

I also find a bit annoying that every recommendation Harry makes is for something he has "invented" or sells. But he sure has spent a lot of time in the SNP and on the Shennandoah over the years. 
 
Cheers,
 
-- Greg


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Good article.  I read through some of the stuff on Murray's website once in a while if I think about it.  There's some useful information there. 

The only criticism I have is that the "reports" sometimes seem sort of generic.  No biggie.  

Gene



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