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Tuesday, 31 August 2021

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Slow fishing

yea, tbh my main reason for not going for smallies more (it's actually closer for me than the tidal warmwater by a teensy bit) is that I don't have a boat and teh river looks a tick high to wade.

On Tuesday, August 31, 2021 at 8:51:02 PM UTC-4 northstreet...@gmail.com wrote:

One of the Trowe brothers from Mossy Creek was on Tom Rosenbaurs podcast and they both said that if there is a temperature that is too warm for smallies, they don't know what it is. Pretty much higher than whatever the rivers get to. I don't think Mossy ever stops running floats unless it is during the spawn. Certain months they probably spend more time targeting muskies though.

On Tuesday, August 31, 2021 at 4:15:11 PM UTC-4 lukemor...@gmail.com wrote:
Interesting observations, I mainly fly fish in the Shenandoah valley for warm water species so my experience is limited to those systems. The mossy creek crew seems to revere august as their best month to chase smallies, into the first couple weeks in September. I believe they stop operating floats towards the end of September if I recall correctly.

What is the water temp to not target smallies? I understand the reasoning for trout or striped bass, is there a temperature when you're truly endangering small mouth by fishing for them?

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 31, 2021, at 1:56 PM, Andrew Sarcinello <andy...@gmail.com> wrote:

I haven't been out a whole lot lately but I second Carl's reply. I usually have pretty poor results until early October. September may be decent this year though since we have more rain than usual and some more flow and oxygen in the streams and rivers. October is one of my favorite months for warmwater species and September is usually one of my least favorite.

On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 11:08:50 PM UTC-4 Doug Graebner wrote:
yeaaa that sounds about right. Also I had a short leader tonight so that doesn't help. I guess I'm just Rather More Used to trout where "pick a spring creek/tailwater" is always an option etc.
On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 10:06:04 PM UTC-4 Carl wrote:
August is always slow for me. As the water temperature rises, the Disolved Oxygen (DO) goes down and the fish get stressed and less active. As the days get shorter and the water cools down, the fish will start getting active again and bulking up for winter.

If you want to fly fish in this weather, look for areas where cool water enters warm, or where there are a lot of riffles to aerate the water.

When wet wading feels like you are in a hot tub, it's time to do something other than fish.

Carl

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On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 10:01 PM Doug Graebner <dgrae...@gmail.com> wrote:
Is the warmwater bite slow for everyone lately or am I just fishing worse than usual?
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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Slow fishing

One of the Trowe brothers from Mossy Creek was on Tom Rosenbaurs podcast and they both said that if there is a temperature that is too warm for smallies, they don't know what it is. Pretty much higher than whatever the rivers get to. I don't think Mossy ever stops running floats unless it is during the spawn. Certain months they probably spend more time targeting muskies though.

On Tuesday, August 31, 2021 at 4:15:11 PM UTC-4 lukemor...@gmail.com wrote:

Interesting observations, I mainly fly fish in the Shenandoah valley for warm water species so my experience is limited to those systems. The mossy creek crew seems to revere august as their best month to chase smallies, into the first couple weeks in September. I believe they stop operating floats towards the end of September if I recall correctly.

What is the water temp to not target smallies? I understand the reasoning for trout or striped bass, is there a temperature when you're truly endangering small mouth by fishing for them?

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 31, 2021, at 1:56 PM, Andrew Sarcinello <andy...@gmail.com> wrote:

I haven't been out a whole lot lately but I second Carl's reply. I usually have pretty poor results until early October. September may be decent this year though since we have more rain than usual and some more flow and oxygen in the streams and rivers. October is one of my favorite months for warmwater species and September is usually one of my least favorite.

On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 11:08:50 PM UTC-4 Doug Graebner wrote:
yeaaa that sounds about right. Also I had a short leader tonight so that doesn't help. I guess I'm just Rather More Used to trout where "pick a spring creek/tailwater" is always an option etc.
On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 10:06:04 PM UTC-4 Carl wrote:
August is always slow for me. As the water temperature rises, the Disolved Oxygen (DO) goes down and the fish get stressed and less active. As the days get shorter and the water cools down, the fish will start getting active again and bulking up for winter.

If you want to fly fish in this weather, look for areas where cool water enters warm, or where there are a lot of riffles to aerate the water.

When wet wading feels like you are in a hot tub, it's time to do something other than fish.

Carl

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On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 10:01 PM Doug Graebner <dgrae...@gmail.com> wrote:
Is the warmwater bite slow for everyone lately or am I just fishing worse than usual?
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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} narragansett bay albies/stripers - shore fishing

I've never fished Narragansett bay but I've sailed it many times. I was actually up there last weekend and saw large balls of baitfish at the surface in the bay. We had herring jumping alongside our boat one night in a new experience for me. There is a lot of current and fog can come in quickly. I'd think you'll be best served getting in a boat for fly fishing, but you may have luck on piers and jetties if early in the morning. Many people jig for flounder and scup from bridges. Assuming it's similar to the neighboring Buzzards Bay, if you get in a good spot you'll find fish. The stripers really like squid. Black Bass can be found in deeper water but also well structured shallows- I caught one last weekend in 6' within casting distance of a rocky beach on a hard lure. There are lots of bluefish too.

Let me know how the false albacore trip goes!

Jake Denney

On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 4:41 PM peter odell <peterlodell@gmail.com> wrote:

Anyone familiar with the Bay around Newport, RI? I'm doing a 2 day false albacore trip, but will be there the day before and would like to fish from shore without endangering myself on slipper rocks, etc.

Any pointers appreciated....

Pete

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} narragansett bay albies/stripers - shore fishing

Anyone familiar with the Bay around Newport, RI? I'm doing a 2 day false albacore trip, but will be there the day before and would like to fish from shore without endangering myself on slipper rocks, etc.

Any pointers appreciated....

Pete

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Slow fishing

Interesting observations, I mainly fly fish in the Shenandoah valley for warm water species so my experience is limited to those systems. The mossy creek crew seems to revere august as their best month to chase smallies, into the first couple weeks in September. I believe they stop operating floats towards the end of September if I recall correctly.

What is the water temp to not target smallies? I understand the reasoning for trout or striped bass, is there a temperature when you're truly endangering small mouth by fishing for them?

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 31, 2021, at 1:56 PM, Andrew Sarcinello <andysarce@gmail.com> wrote:

I haven't been out a whole lot lately but I second Carl's reply. I usually have pretty poor results until early October. September may be decent this year though since we have more rain than usual and some more flow and oxygen in the streams and rivers. October is one of my favorite months for warmwater species and September is usually one of my least favorite.

On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 11:08:50 PM UTC-4 Doug Graebner wrote:
yeaaa that sounds about right. Also I had a short leader tonight so that doesn't help. I guess I'm just Rather More Used to trout where "pick a spring creek/tailwater" is always an option etc.
On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 10:06:04 PM UTC-4 Carl wrote:
August is always slow for me. As the water temperature rises, the Disolved Oxygen (DO) goes down and the fish get stressed and less active. As the days get shorter and the water cools down, the fish will start getting active again and bulking up for winter.

If you want to fly fish in this weather, look for areas where cool water enters warm, or where there are a lot of riffles to aerate the water.

When wet wading feels like you are in a hot tub, it's time to do something other than fish.

Carl

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On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 10:01 PM Doug Graebner <dgrae...@gmail.com> wrote:
Is the warmwater bite slow for everyone lately or am I just fishing worse than usual?
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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Slow fishing

I haven't been out a whole lot lately but I second Carl's reply. I usually have pretty poor results until early October. September may be decent this year though since we have more rain than usual and some more flow and oxygen in the streams and rivers. October is one of my favorite months for warmwater species and September is usually one of my least favorite.

On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 11:08:50 PM UTC-4 Doug Graebner wrote:

yeaaa that sounds about right. Also I had a short leader tonight so that doesn't help. I guess I'm just Rather More Used to trout where "pick a spring creek/tailwater" is always an option etc.
On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 10:06:04 PM UTC-4 Carl wrote:
August is always slow for me. As the water temperature rises, the Disolved Oxygen (DO) goes down and the fish get stressed and less active. As the days get shorter and the water cools down, the fish will start getting active again and bulking up for winter.

If you want to fly fish in this weather, look for areas where cool water enters warm, or where there are a lot of riffles to aerate the water.

When wet wading feels like you are in a hot tub, it's time to do something other than fish.

Carl

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On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 10:01 PM Doug Graebner <dgrae...@gmail.com> wrote:
Is the warmwater bite slow for everyone lately or am I just fishing worse than usual?
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Sunday, 29 August 2021

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Slow fishing

yeaaa that sounds about right. Also I had a short leader tonight so that doesn't help. I guess I'm just Rather More Used to trout where "pick a spring creek/tailwater" is always an option etc.

On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 10:06:04 PM UTC-4 Carl wrote:

August is always slow for me. As the water temperature rises, the Disolved Oxygen (DO) goes down and the fish get stressed and less active. As the days get shorter and the water cools down, the fish will start getting active again and bulking up for winter.

If you want to fly fish in this weather, look for areas where cool water enters warm, or where there are a lot of riffles to aerate the water.

When wet wading feels like you are in a hot tub, it's time to do something other than fish.

Carl

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On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 10:01 PM Doug Graebner <dgrae...@gmail.com> wrote:
Is the warmwater bite slow for everyone lately or am I just fishing worse than usual?
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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Slow fishing

August is always slow for me. As the water temperature rises, the Disolved Oxygen (DO) goes down and the fish get stressed and less active. As the days get shorter and the water cools down, the fish will start getting active again and bulking up for winter.

If you want to fly fish in this weather, look for areas where cool water enters warm, or where there are a lot of riffles to aerate the water.

When wet wading feels like you are in a hot tub, it's time to do something other than fish.

Carl

Carl Zmola

On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 10:01 PM Doug Graebner <dgraebner1@gmail.com> wrote:

Is the warmwater bite slow for everyone lately or am I just fishing worse than usual?
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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Slow fishing

Is the warmwater bite slow for everyone lately or am I just fishing worse than usual?

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Wednesday, 25 August 2021

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Suggestions for TROUT FISHING rivers

The Battenkill is in vermont and new york. Fall is a beautiful time to fish that river but hatches will mostly be limited to olives, maybe some leftover tricos. The tubers should be gone so that is a bonus.

If you are open to new york the adirondack streams can have good isonychia hatches in september/early october, as can the esopus in the catskills.

On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 7:24:50 AM UTC-4 Terry C wrote:

You can add the Deerfield river and Battenkill rivers in Mass. Also the Sacco and Swift rivers in NH.

On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 4:21:32 PM UTC-4 jkg...@gmail.com wrote:
For CT, I've fished both the Upper Housatonic and the Farmington with guide Ron Merly - had a great time fishing with him.

https://ronmerlysfishing.com

Jamie

On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 3:55 PM Daniel Sheets <dsh...@gmail.com> wrote:

If you're going to be around Southern VT, check out Peter Basta. I've fished with him before and know him personally, he's a great guide - http://vtflyfishingguide.com/

Daniel S.

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Pay attention to the season. The general season might be closed by the time peak foliage colors have arrived. Also, fishing when leaves are dropping can be challenging.

The major hatches will be over by late september, so think about nymphs or streamers if you are going later.

Carl

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On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 2:52 PM June Brodie <ju...@consultbrodie.com> wrote:

Hi folks
I'm planning a New England trout fishing trip - Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont. Thinking of Sep / Oct.

Looking for suggestions for best trout fishing options at this time of year.

Cheers

June

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Suggestions for TROUT FISHING rivers

You can add the Deerfield river and Battenkill rivers in Mass. Also the Sacco and Swift rivers in NH.

On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 4:21:32 PM UTC-4 jkg...@gmail.com wrote:

For CT, I've fished both the Upper Housatonic and the Farmington with guide Ron Merly - had a great time fishing with him.

https://ronmerlysfishing.com

Jamie

On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 3:55 PM Daniel Sheets <dsh...@gmail.com> wrote:

If you're going to be around Southern VT, check out Peter Basta. I've fished with him before and know him personally, he's a great guide - http://vtflyfishingguide.com/

Daniel S.

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Pay attention to the season. The general season might be closed by the time peak foliage colors have arrived. Also, fishing when leaves are dropping can be challenging.

The major hatches will be over by late september, so think about nymphs or streamers if you are going later.

Carl

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On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 2:52 PM June Brodie <ju...@consultbrodie.com> wrote:

Hi folks
I'm planning a New England trout fishing trip - Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont. Thinking of Sep / Oct.

Looking for suggestions for best trout fishing options at this time of year.

Cheers

June

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Tuesday, 24 August 2021

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Suggestions for TROUT FISHING rivers

For CT, I've fished both the Upper Housatonic and the Farmington with guide Ron Merly - had a great time fishing with him.

https://ronmerlysfishing.com

Jamie

On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 3:55 PM Daniel Sheets <dshe994@gmail.com> wrote:

If you're going to be around Southern VT, check out Peter Basta. I've fished with him before and know him personally, he's a great guide - http://vtflyfishingguide.com/

Daniel S.

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Pay attention to the season. The general season might be closed by the time peak foliage colors have arrived. Also, fishing when leaves are dropping can be challenging.

The major hatches will be over by late september, so think about nymphs or streamers if you are going later.

Carl

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Hi folks
I'm planning a New England trout fishing trip - Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont. Thinking of Sep / Oct.

Looking for suggestions for best trout fishing options at this time of year.

Cheers

June

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Suggestions for TROUT FISHING rivers

If you're going to be around Southern VT, check out Peter Basta. I've fished with him before and know him personally, he's a great guide - http://vtflyfishingguide.com/

Daniel S.

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Pay attention to the season. The general season might be closed by the time peak foliage colors have arrived. Also, fishing when leaves are dropping can be challenging.

The major hatches will be over by late september, so think about nymphs or streamers if you are going later.

Carl

Carl Zmola

On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 2:52 PM June Brodie <june@consultbrodie.com> wrote:

Hi folks
I'm planning a New England trout fishing trip - Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont. Thinking of Sep / Oct.

Looking for suggestions for best trout fishing options at this time of year.

Cheers

June

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Cheers
June

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Suggestions for TROUT FISHING rivers

Hi folks

I'm planning a New England trout fishing trip - Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont. Thinking of Sep / Oct.

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Cheers

June

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Sunday, 22 August 2021

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} TPFR on the Gunpowder - Sept 12

Come join TPFR on the Big Gunpowder Falls River for a casual day of fishing.

When: Sunday September 12 8 am -ish until whenever

Where: Gunpowder Falls - Bunker Hill access point

See attachment for details and directions.

Hey all - we are planning a Gunpowder Fishing Day on the water with TPFR.

The Gunpowder Fishing Day will be free form - show up, meet folks, chew the fat, go ﬁsh, and relax amidst the beautiful surroundings of the Gunpowder. While not intended to be a casting church, If you arrive before 10 am, some casting Instructors and the other usual suspects from the Sunday Casting Church will be on hand to help.

If the Gunpowder Fishing Day is successful (meaning you attend) then we may add this type of event to TPFR a few times each year.

If you haven't been to the Gunpowder Falls, this will be a fun way to fish this tailwater of the Pretty Boy Reservoir, just north of Baltimore and put some of those casting skills to use. For more information about Gunpowder Falls see the MD site.

Hope to see you there.

Brook

TPFR Board member

This gathering will follow the same guidelines for health and safety that we use for the Casting Churches and Beer Ties. As of August 21, 2021 neither the State of Maryland nor Baltimore County have mask requirements relevant to this event. Please use your best judgment for your personal safety and that of others, if you are ill or suspect you might be, rest up at home.

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Saturday, 21 August 2021

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Beer Tie, Monday Sep 13

Yes, you read that right Beer Tie, Mon Sep 13

Our new location for the Beer Tie is the Colony Grill in Clarendon.

The address is 2800 Clarendon Blvd #850, Arlington, VA 22201

We will be in the upstairs location at the grill. The grill is right across Clarendon Blvd from the Orvis store. There is a parking garage right next door on North Fillmore St.

It has been a long while since our last Beer Tie, and there are many new people coming to our casting churches, so a bit of refresh on what Beer Tie is. The Beer Tie is our monthly meeting. It is largely a social meeting. We talk about fishing, and we tie some fly patterns. And we drink a little beer. This is a great opportunity to get to know a little about flyfishing in the area and meet some fellow enthusiasts. We welcome all, even if you don't yet fly fish but are curious about the sport.

We will have monthly Beer Ties. The schedule is the second Monday of the month. Upcoming dates are:

13 Sep, 11 Oct, 8 Nov, 13 Dec

Covid safety: Recognize that we are in a social situation, and many will be eating and drinking, and so many will be unmasked. Right now, there is no requirement by Colony Grill or Virginia to be masked. However, if you are ill or suspect you might be, please respect the health of others and rest up at home. The Beer Ties are monthly so there will be other opportunities to participate.

Regan

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} ICYMI: SNP closed to fishing.

https://www.nps.gov/shen/learn/news/shenandoah-national-park-temporarily-suspends-fishing.htm

Cheers,

-- Greg

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Shenandoah National Park fishing suspended

Northern Virginia Chapter of

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Shenandoah National Park Temporarily Suspends Fishing

Effective immediately, Shenandoah National Park's streams and rivers are closed to fishing due to low stream flows and high water temperatures. Despite the recent rainfall, streams and groundwater conditions have not recovered sufficiently.

Please read the entire National Park Service release.

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