Thursday, 30 April 2020

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Kayak Spey fishing

Regan,

I am glad you were able to get out in a water craft before Fletchers was locked down. How much line were you carrying (from the rod tip) when you were making your cast to re-present the fly??

-Trent

On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 6:21:12 PM UTC-4, Regan Burmeister wrote:

So the subject might the get "Huh?" query. I thought I would write this up to sort of get a casting/fishing fix now that we locked out and rained out.

 

Right before Fletcher's locked down in March, I met up with Terry Cummings to get some insight on kayak fishing for shad at Fletchers. I had purchased a fishing kayak last summer, and I was looking to catch my first shad from the kayak.  Many of you know me primarily as spey guy. Two-hand and single-hand spey is my preferred way to fish. Well, I thought why not on the kayak.  My Lure 11.5' fishing kayak has a height adjustable seat.  So I put the seat in its mid-height position.  I followed Terry out into the lower portion of the big eddy, right above Walker's Point, and anchored up.

I was able to effectively cast my 12.5' 8wt Reddington Chromer, casting an Airflow intermediate Skagit line (570 grain) with 10' feet of T-14 sinktip from the seated position. It took a few casts to get down the motion, but after a bit, I could lift and sweep, set the anchor and draw the D loop, come into the firing position, and launch a cast and shoot 30 to 40 feet of running line, making a total cast of up to 70' (if I really wanted to push).  Most of the time I kept at 40-50'.  A lot of fun, especially since I had to make no false casts, and no false casting a sinking line at that.

I found that I could make all the usually anchor sets (circle spey, snap-T, double spey, perry poke) from the seated position. Most of the shad I caught were caught the usual way of stripping the sunken tip back in quick short strips. But twice as I was swinging thru the current, no action to the fly from me, a shad actually hit the shad dart on the swing. That was fun, never had that happen before on my more standard trips of fishing up by Chain Bridge from the bank but also swinging the fly.  Up there I have always had to strip it back to get a strike.

I was looking forward to doing more of this kind of kayak fishing this spring.  I made it out one more time and caught some more shad. I also sacrificed an anchor to the bottom. The price you have to pay, I suppose.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Kayak Spey fishing

Where can you drop off the kayak at Fletchers.  I thought access to Fletchers is closed.  Can we drive thru the tunnel currently?


On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:21 PM, Regan Burmeister <reganebur@gmail.com> wrote:

So the subject might the get "Huh?" query. I thought I would write this up to sort of get a casting/fishing fix now that we locked out and rained out.

 

Right before Fletcher's locked down in March, I met up with Terry Cummings to get some insight on kayak fishing for shad at Fletchers. I had purchased a fishing kayak last summer, and I was looking to catch my first shad from the kayak.  Many of you know me primarily as spey guy. Two-hand and single-hand spey is my preferred way to fish. Well, I thought why not on the kayak.  My Lure 11.5' fishing kayak has a height adjustable seat.  So I put the seat in its mid-height position.  I followed Terry out into the lower portion of the big eddy, right above Walker's Point, and anchored up.

I was able to effectively cast my 12.5' 8wt Reddington Chromer, casting an Airflow intermediate Skagit line (570 grain) with 10' feet of T-14 sinktip from the seated position. It took a few casts to get down the motion, but after a bit, I could lift and sweep, set the anchor and draw the D loop, come into the firing position, and launch a cast and shoot 30 to 40 feet of running line, making a total cast of up to 70' (if I really wanted to push).  Most of the time I kept at 40-50'.  A lot of fun, especially since I had to make no false casts, and no false casting a sinking line at that.

I found that I could make all the usually anchor sets (circle spey, snap-T, double spey, perry poke) from the seated position. Most of the shad I caught were caught the usual way of stripping the sunken tip back in quick short strips. But twice as I was swinging thru the current, no action to the fly from me, a shad actually hit the shad dart on the swing. That was fun, never had that happen before on my more standard trips of fishing up by Chain Bridge from the bank but also swinging the fly.  Up there I have always had to strip it back to get a strike.

I was looking forward to doing more of this kind of kayak fishing this spring.  I made it out one more time and caught some more shad. I also sacrificed an anchor to the bottom. The price you have to pay, I suppose.


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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Kayak Spey fishing

So the subject might the get "Huh?" query. I thought I would write this up to sort of get a casting/fishing fix now that we locked out and rained out.

 

Right before Fletcher's locked down in March, I met up with Terry Cummings to get some insight on kayak fishing for shad at Fletchers. I had purchased a fishing kayak last summer, and I was looking to catch my first shad from the kayak.  Many of you know me primarily as spey guy. Two-hand and single-hand spey is my preferred way to fish. Well, I thought why not on the kayak.  My Lure 11.5' fishing kayak has a height adjustable seat.  So I put the seat in its mid-height position.  I followed Terry out into the lower portion of the big eddy, right above Walker's Point, and anchored up.

I was able to effectively cast my 12.5' 8wt Reddington Chromer, casting an Airflow intermediate Skagit line (570 grain) with 10' feet of T-14 sinktip from the seated position. It took a few casts to get down the motion, but after a bit, I could lift and sweep, set the anchor and draw the D loop, come into the firing position, and launch a cast and shoot 30 to 40 feet of running line, making a total cast of up to 70' (if I really wanted to push).  Most of the time I kept at 40-50'.  A lot of fun, especially since I had to make no false casts, and no false casting a sinking line at that.

I found that I could make all the usually anchor sets (circle spey, snap-T, double spey, perry poke) from the seated position. Most of the shad I caught were caught the usual way of stripping the sunken tip back in quick short strips. But twice as I was swinging thru the current, no action to the fly from me, a shad actually hit the shad dart on the swing. That was fun, never had that happen before on my more standard trips of fishing up by Chain Bridge from the bank but also swinging the fly.  Up there I have always had to strip it back to get a strike.

I was looking forward to doing more of this kind of kayak fishing this spring.  I made it out one more time and caught some more shad. I also sacrificed an anchor to the bottom. The price you have to pay, I suppose.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} North Indiana & Southern MI

Contact Sgt Bass Fisher on social media (Instagram). Tell him I sent you. 

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On Apr 30, 2020, at 8:07 AM, Danny Barrett <dannytbarrett@gmail.com> wrote:


Hope everyone is staying healthy. I just relocated for work to the north Indiana and southern MI areas. Been able to drive around some and checking out some streams and boat ramps. So far it has mostly been the St. Joe and the Dowagiac. As well as some smaller lakes in the area.  Can anyone suggest some spots to check out? Or even a guide in the area. I know there is a tone of water up here. Haven't got much of my gear moved yet so I am just spending the evenings driving around.

Thanks,

Dan Barrett

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Danny,  

Recommend you go to the FFI website and under the menu selection, membership option, you can find different FFI clubs in Indiana and Michigan.  Much like TPFR, the folks are generally really helpful and a good way to make friends.  Just a caution, TPFR is rather unique in its approach, other clubs may be different in their meetings.  But the folks are still avid fly fishers.  

Kevin


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Hope everyone is staying healthy. I just relocated for work to the north Indiana and southern MI areas. Been able to drive around some and checking out some streams and boat ramps. So far it has mostly been the St. Joe and the Dowagiac. As well as some smaller lakes in the area.  Can anyone suggest some spots to check out? Or even a guide in the area. I know there is a tone of water up here. Haven't got much of my gear moved yet so I am just spending the evenings driving around.

Thanks,

Dan Barrett

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Eric Grajewski will take you out on Lake St. Clair for Musky and huge Smallies!

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Hope everyone is staying healthy. I just relocated for work to the north Indiana and southern MI areas. Been able to drive around some and checking out some streams and boat ramps. So far it has mostly been the St. Joe and the Dowagiac. As well as some smaller lakes in the area.  Can anyone suggest some spots to check out? Or even a guide in the area. I know there is a tone of water up here. Haven't got much of my gear moved yet so I am just spending the evenings driving around.

Thanks,

Dan Barrett

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Check out Schultz Outfitters, they probably are not too far away and guide that area and have a shop. 

-Brett

On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 8:07 AM Danny Barrett <dannytbarrett@gmail.com> wrote:
Hope everyone is staying healthy. I just relocated for work to the north Indiana and southern MI areas. Been able to drive around some and checking out some streams and boat ramps. So far it has mostly been the St. Joe and the Dowagiac. As well as some smaller lakes in the area.  Can anyone suggest some spots to check out? Or even a guide in the area. I know there is a tone of water up here. Haven't got much of my gear moved yet so I am just spending the evenings driving around.

Thanks,

Dan Barrett

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} North Indiana & Southern MI

Hope everyone is staying healthy. I just relocated for work to the north Indiana and southern MI areas. Been able to drive around some and checking out some streams and boat ramps. So far it has mostly been the St. Joe and the Dowagiac. As well as some smaller lakes in the area.  Can anyone suggest some spots to check out? Or even a guide in the area. I know there is a tone of water up here. Haven't got much of my gear moved yet so I am just spending the evenings driving around.

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Dan Barrett

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Wednesday, 29 April 2020

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} GUM GOUGER

Art, 

Looks like an interesting fly.  Will you be sending out a materials list in advance?

Also how will we connect?  I saw a note on the Facebook page about joining in bio but do not understand.

Thanks 
Kevin

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020, 10:58 PM Lynn Scholz <lscholz57@gmail.com> wrote:
THANKS, ART!

Looking forward to learning how to tie it.



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On Apr 29, 2020, at 10:03 PM, arthur noglak <arthur.noglak@gmail.com> wrote:

Lynn,

Here is a link to a photo of the fly.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B_llMw8DYem/?igshid=1r34exlrejdwh

Cheers,

Art Noglak

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THANKS, ART!

Looking forward to learning how to tie it.



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On Apr 29, 2020, at 10:03 PM, arthur noglak <arthur.noglak@gmail.com> wrote:

Lynn,

Here is a link to a photo of the fly.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B_llMw8DYem/?igshid=1r34exlrejdwh

Cheers,

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} GUM GOUGER

Lynn,

Here is a link to a photo of the fly.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B_llMw8DYem/?igshid=1r34exlrejdwh

Cheers,

Art Noglak

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} GUM GOUGER

Next Tuesday's Fly Tie will feature Art Noglak's Gum Gouger, a crawfish pattern. I have looked all over the internet to see a picture of it. Can someone send me a link to it? Or can Art post a photo?
Thanks.
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Tuesday, 28 April 2020

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Shad Action at its Peak!

I know!  I am surprised that we haven't caught more Americans.  The Hickory shad seem to be so thick that I just figured our flys didn't have a chance to get down to them.  I can't wait to pull one of those big American Mamas out this year.  

Great insight Yambag!

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 9:09:59 PM UTC-4, Yambag Nelson wrote:
I think the peak is still to come. Maybe I'm just not catching them, but the roe americans don't really seem to be around much yet. 

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 8:14:12 AM UTC-4, Alexander Hicks wrote:
Last weekends shad action.


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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Tying Tuesdays

Based on an email exchange I had with Art and Andrew just last week, the next one is provisionally scheduled for May 5.  It has not yet been posted to the NCCTU website.  When it has been posted, there will be a link to register via Google.  Gregg

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Say anyone know when the next digital tying Tuesday is scheduled?

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Monday, 27 April 2020

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Tying Tuesdays

How do we access?

On Mon, Apr 27, 2020, 7:56 PM Rob <rob@robsnowhite.com> wrote:
Tomorrow night for sure. 

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Say anyone know when the next digital tying Tuesday is scheduled?

Daniel

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I think the peak is still to come. Maybe I'm just not catching them, but the roe americans don't really seem to be around much yet. 

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 8:14:12 AM UTC-4, Alexander Hicks wrote:
Last weekends shad action.


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Tomorrow night for sure. 

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Daniel

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Tying Tuesdays

Say anyone know when the next digital tying Tuesday is scheduled?

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Shad Action at its Peak!

Last weekends shad action.


Tight lines girls and boys!

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Mattawoman Creek

Anyone ever go in there with a belly boat?  

Cheers
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Sunday, 26 April 2020

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Various fishing rules and access during social distancing

I think the concern about crowding in popular areas is understandable, if iffy. Frankly I wish I just didn't have so much I had to worry about with school work, which is solving the problem for me nicely...

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 3:49:17 PM UTC-4, Andrew Sarcinello wrote:
That's what I don't understand Jamie - it seems way too hard to enforce so why not just follow what PA and VA and DC are permitting. No other state decided to split up what type of fishing is allowed or not allowed. Most allow it if social distancing is being followed. A few banned it entirely. I can understand both of those positions.


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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Mattawoman Creek

Makes sense - yeah, targeting snakeheads is definitely fair game right now

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Mattawoman Creek

Great intel! Thanks. Itching to get back there.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Mattawoman Creek

I think as long as you are paddling, it's considered exercise and fishing, if you plan to eat what you catch, if also fair am game. Considering we were trying to find a snakehead, I think that's fair game. DNR was actually in the parking lot while we were there and didn't give us or any of the others a hard time. Curious if the people getting fined were fishing shad or other species that one couldn't keep.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Mattawoman Creek

It was legal to be out there. Checked before hand. We were in a canoe and paddling. If we had caught a snakehead we would have eaten it. DNR was in the parking lot and very cordial. Also many other people in bass boats and a couple of SUPs. No one was harassed and everyone was well away from each other.

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Saturday, 25 April 2020

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Hydros SL

And they're gone!

On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 10:24:31 PM UTC-4, Tony Kreindler wrote:
Whoops. Size IV, 7-8-9.

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Hope I'm not violating any forum rules here. Have three spare spools for Orvis Hydros SL in nickel. Free to whoever reaches out first, will leave them outside for you on the porch, we're in MD about a mile from Sibley out Macarthur Blvd. tk at brookmontgroup dot com.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Hydros SL

Whoops. Size IV, 7-8-9.

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Hope I'm not violating any forum rules here. Have three spare spools for Orvis Hydros SL in nickel. Free to whoever reaches out first, will leave them outside for you on the porch, we're in MD about a mile from Sibley out Macarthur Blvd. tk at brookmontgroup dot com.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Hydros SL

Hi TPFR friends,

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Mattawoman Creek

This is one of the most useful and informative threads, and Tom's post particularly, I have found in years.  Not that all the exchanges aren't great.  Thanks everybody!

Dave

On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 5:12:23 PM UTC-4, Tom Moran wrote:
Mattawoman is probably THE major fish factory on the Potomac, if you are considering largemouth or snakeheads.  Matt is correct in giving you the two primary launch points for anyone with a cartop boat, with the Mason Springs Conservancy property being the best choice (though lots of poison ivy around).  As you paddle downstream and the creek begins to emerge from the forest, any wood you find in the water may hold bass.  And there are even a handful of gravel/sand bars that you can pull up on on and stretch your legs, and cast while standing.  

The creek has vast acreage of shallow, vegetated flats that support largemouth spawning, far more than other creeks in the Potomac.  As if that wasn't good enough, Smallwood State Park hosts dozens of bass tournaments a year, some of them national in scope (B.A.S.S.) drawing hundreds of competitors.  Unless they've changed practices, all the fish caught in DC, Md and Va from Fletchers to the Port Tobacco River are released at the ramps in Mattawoman.  Once upon a time the fishing here was good but no better than say Mallows Bay, Piscataway, or Nanjemoy Creeks.  That is no longer true, it is much better.  All these fish and prime shallows seem to do good things for the snakeheads too.

Early in the season you can take your small craft up into these vast bays, were emergent vegetation has yet to reach the surface, and see & catch fish.  Once the grass is up to the surface it's not really practical to get in those areas.   However - look at say Google Map satellite view - there is a landmark called Nelson Point not too far downstream from the conservancy property (upstream from the Indian Head park put-in) and you'll see to the NNW a large creek that eventually forks as it approaches a distant wooded shoreline.  As the vegetation clogs shallow areas towards late spring and summer, this creek is deep enough in the center that you can get quite a distance up in it.  In many places WAY up there, it remains 5-8 ft deep in the channel which remains free of grass.  This creek is stuffed with fish, but they are very hard to get to because of the grass.  You can throw topwater bugs until it becomes too choked, or afterward you can selectively drop a heavy, large weighted streamer into the channel gap and let it sink to bottom.  There are a LOT of bass down by the bottom along the channel.

Snakeheads are particularly attracted to topwater baits.  If you were not partial to fly fishing you would throw a Senko in the grass gap and hold onto your rod as it sinks to bottom.  Another summer feature - as the vegetation is so thick, the water is filtered and can be very clear back there - peering down you will see bass nosing around every few feet.  These don't tend to be little nubs either, solid 1.5 - 4 lb bass are typical.

One comment on Piscataway - there is a shoreline fishing access at Farmington Landing where you can launch a cartop boat from amongst the catfishermen.  Turn right, head up the right fork of the back of the creek - this is not as nice as Mattawoman but it is closer to DC - the bay you cross to get to the back of the creek is shallow so most bass boats don't go there unless the tide is up.  But there's quite a bit of spadderdock and SAV back there too, and plenty of bass along with white and yellow perch in season, all the way back until you can't go any further.  One negative - there is a sewage treatment plant back there - it's not supposed to be releasing into Piscataway, but you take your chances.   I have had some great days back there.

Farmington Landing



On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 10:07:22 PM UTC-4, Nick wrote:
Took the canoe out on Mattawoman today with the wife and kids.  Though I had a couple of rods, given the family paddling dynamic and the brutal wind, fishing was more aspirational than productive. Lots of guys on bass boats out but didn't see much catching going on. Curious if anyone on the forum fishes this part of the Potomac at all and Finds it to be worth the drive. Some incredible habitat to be sure.

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Friday, 24 April 2020

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Mattawoman Creek

Mattawoman is probably THE major fish factory on the Potomac, if you are considering largemouth or snakeheads.  Matt is correct in giving you the two primary launch points for anyone with a cartop boat, with the Mason Springs Conservancy property being the best choice (though lots of poison ivy around).  As you paddle downstream and the creek begins to emerge from the forest, any wood you find in the water may hold bass.  And there are even a handful of gravel/sand bars that you can pull up on on and stretch your legs, and cast while standing.  

The creek has vast acreage of shallow, vegetated flats that support largemouth spawning, far more than other creeks in the Potomac.  As if that wasn't good enough, Smallwood State Park hosts dozens of bass tournaments a year, some of them national in scope (B.A.S.S.) drawing hundreds of competitors.  Unless they've changed practices, all the fish caught in DC, Md and Va from Fletchers to the Port Tobacco River are released at the ramps in Mattawoman.  Once upon a time the fishing here was good but no better than say Mallows Bay, Piscataway, or Nanjemoy Creeks.  That is no longer true, it is much better.  All these fish and prime shallows seem to do good things for the snakeheads too.

Early in the season you can take your small craft up into these vast bays, were emergent vegetation has yet to reach the surface, and see & catch fish.  Once the grass is up to the surface it's not really practical to get in those areas.   However - look at say Google Map satellite view - there is a landmark called Nelson Point not too far downstream from the conservancy property (upstream from the Indian Head park put-in) and you'll see to the NNW a large creek that eventually forks as it approaches a distant wooded shoreline.  As the vegetation clogs shallow areas towards late spring and summer, this creek is deep enough in the center that you can get quite a distance up in it.  In many places WAY up there, it remains 5-8 ft deep in the channel which remains free of grass.  This creek is stuffed with fish, but they are very hard to get to because of the grass.  You can throw topwater bugs until it becomes too choked, or afterward you can selectively drop a heavy, large weighted streamer into the channel gap and let it sink to bottom.  There are a LOT of bass down by the bottom along the channel.

Snakeheads are particularly attracted to topwater baits.  If you were not partial to fly fishing you would throw a Senko in the grass gap and hold onto your rod as it sinks to bottom.  Another summer feature - as the vegetation is so thick, the water is filtered and can be very clear back there - peering down you will see bass nosing around every few feet.  These don't tend to be little nubs either, solid 1.5 - 4 lb bass are typical.

One comment on Piscataway - there is a shoreline fishing access at Farmington Landing where you can launch a cartop boat from amongst the catfishermen.  Turn right, head up the right fork of the back of the creek - this is not as nice as Mattawoman but it is closer to DC - the bay you cross to get to the back of the creek is shallow so most bass boats don't go there unless the tide is up.  But there's quite a bit of spadderdock and SAV back there too, and plenty of bass along with white and yellow perch in season, all the way back until you can't go any further.  One negative - there is a sewage treatment plant back there - it's not supposed to be releasing into Piscataway, but you take your chances.   I have had some great days back there.

Farmington Landing
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Took the canoe out on Mattawoman today with the wife and kids.  Though I had a couple of rods, given the family paddling dynamic and the brutal wind, fishing was more aspirational than productive. Lots of guys on bass boats out but didn't see much catching going on. Curious if anyone on the forum fishes this part of the Potomac at all and Finds it to be worth the drive. Some incredible habitat to be sure.

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Thursday, 23 April 2020

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: shad on the Potomac ... where to try...

Thank you, Yambag.

WW,  I'll be on the water this weekend.   

(WW ==  wife willing...   hehe! )

On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 2:27:55 PM UTC-4, Yambag Nelson wrote:
The Fletchers area is the place to be.  No need to take it up as far as chain bridge.  You will want to anchor, not drift.

On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 8:14:04 AM UTC-4, Philip Brown wrote:
I'm hoping some more experienced folks can suggest a few spots or stretches of the Potomac to try for shad.

I'm fortunate enough to have a small boat with a 150 HP motor that I launch at Columbia Island and head up river.

I've even taken if (carefully) above the chain bridge by a couple of hundred yards... you have to say close to the VA side in the fast water,
then head towards the DC side to a calm pool and anchor up quickly.

When you're ready to leave, you also have to be on your toes.

My boat is definitely sea-worthy, and I *always* wear an inflatable fanny-pack style life vest, plus I'll don a regular vest when I'm in fast water.

With all of that said, I'd appreciate some tips of where I'm likely to find the shad at this time.

I can go anywhere from 3 sister's island, up past and above fletchers, and even slightly past the chain bridge.

Also, I can go up stream and drift...  In fact, I have a drift sock too, but I doubt that will help, as I think they really only slow you down when the drift is caused by wind, not by current.

P.S.  -- Call me slow to learn if you like... over the years, I've damaged two props going up there... the 2nd time bending my prop shaft as well....
Then in early April, I was coming home at speed, and the river was low... and I didn't have my GPS with Nav charts, so I went by memory of the river, holding close to the VA shore, and a couple hundred yards before fletcher's...  I discovered that my knowledge of the river wasn't as good as I remember.!  (see photo)...


Anyway, the good-ol' merc was kind enough to get me home at a put-put speed, so I didn't have to drift, use my trolling motor to get home VERY slowly, or use my Tow-Boat US membership to call for a tow.

Now... 1 new-to-me lower unit later, I'm back in business, and I found where I had hidden my GPS so that no one would steal it over the winter :-).   The GPS, with charts and depth soundings plus "trails" for everywhere I've been on the river, really, really, makes a difference!  (so I've learned... the hard way!)

Well, enough of the story (I hope it was entertaining).    If any seasoned pro's can suggest portions that might be fruitful, and provide some tips of what to look for (like the "seams" where fast water swirls into a pocket)... I'd definitely appreciate it.

P.S. -- The boat is OLD (1992)... and the motor is an '89 that I rebuilt myself... so it's ratty, and not fancy, but it floats, goes fast, and it's long-been-paid-for (!!!)... so it's purrrfect if you ask me.  :-)

        -Phil

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Shad fishing Rock Creek

A couple days ago I accidentally caught and released a herring in Rock Creek on a small hot pink San Juan worm while looking for sunfish. After much thought I have concluded that it was a ruse.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Southern end of SNP

Yeah I drove out there two weekends ago when they closed the northernmost 65 miles. Turned around and came home.

Many of the roads from the bottom are also closed but some are open if you know where to look.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Some Anacostia reading material

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Southern end of SNP

May want to confirm that SNP is open. According to  As of April 13th, 2020 SNP website.

SHENANDOAH NATIONAL PARK IS CLOSED.
This is a complete closure! No hiking, no biking, no entry from the boundary.
All trails in Shenandoah are closed, including the Appalachian Trail.
  


Daniel


On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 2:26 PM Nick W <nwest4488@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey guys,

Anyone have any stream reqs for the southern end of SNP?  Only really hit the northern section like the Piney.  Gonna go up on Skyline this weekend or the following. 

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Southern end of SNP

FYI SNP is currently shutdown due to COVID. https://www.nps.gov/shen/planyourvisit/alerts.htm 

On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 2:26:20 PM UTC-4, Nick W wrote:
Hey guys,

Anyone have any stream reqs for the southern end of SNP?  Only really hit the northern section like the Piney.  Gonna go up on Skyline this weekend or the following.  

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: shad on the Potomac ... where to try...

The Fletchers area is the place to be.  No need to take it up as far as chain bridge.  You will want to anchor, not drift.

On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 8:14:04 AM UTC-4, Philip Brown wrote:
I'm hoping some more experienced folks can suggest a few spots or stretches of the Potomac to try for shad.

I'm fortunate enough to have a small boat with a 150 HP motor that I launch at Columbia Island and head up river.

I've even taken if (carefully) above the chain bridge by a couple of hundred yards... you have to say close to the VA side in the fast water,
then head towards the DC side to a calm pool and anchor up quickly.

When you're ready to leave, you also have to be on your toes.

My boat is definitely sea-worthy, and I *always* wear an inflatable fanny-pack style life vest, plus I'll don a regular vest when I'm in fast water.

With all of that said, I'd appreciate some tips of where I'm likely to find the shad at this time.

I can go anywhere from 3 sister's island, up past and above fletchers, and even slightly past the chain bridge.

Also, I can go up stream and drift...  In fact, I have a drift sock too, but I doubt that will help, as I think they really only slow you down when the drift is caused by wind, not by current.

P.S.  -- Call me slow to learn if you like... over the years, I've damaged two props going up there... the 2nd time bending my prop shaft as well....
Then in early April, I was coming home at speed, and the river was low... and I didn't have my GPS with Nav charts, so I went by memory of the river, holding close to the VA shore, and a couple hundred yards before fletcher's...  I discovered that my knowledge of the river wasn't as good as I remember.!  (see photo)...


Anyway, the good-ol' merc was kind enough to get me home at a put-put speed, so I didn't have to drift, use my trolling motor to get home VERY slowly, or use my Tow-Boat US membership to call for a tow.

Now... 1 new-to-me lower unit later, I'm back in business, and I found where I had hidden my GPS so that no one would steal it over the winter :-).   The GPS, with charts and depth soundings plus "trails" for everywhere I've been on the river, really, really, makes a difference!  (so I've learned... the hard way!)

Well, enough of the story (I hope it was entertaining).    If any seasoned pro's can suggest portions that might be fruitful, and provide some tips of what to look for (like the "seams" where fast water swirls into a pocket)... I'd definitely appreciate it.

P.S. -- The boat is OLD (1992)... and the motor is an '89 that I rebuilt myself... so it's ratty, and not fancy, but it floats, goes fast, and it's long-been-paid-for (!!!)... so it's purrrfect if you ask me.  :-)

        -Phil

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Southern end of SNP

Hey guys,

Anyone have any stream reqs for the southern end of SNP? Only really hit the northern section like the Piney. Gonna go up on Skyline this weekend or the following.

Thanks!

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Occoquan Shad Report

I got out for two hours last night.  Note, it's a lot less crowded at launch points weekdays, but a lot of catfish guys move in at dark.  There are a number of places you can put in and take out to avoid the shore guys though.  Harder on weekends.  

Anyway, I got out seemingly right when it shut off.  apparently it was hot from noon till 4 ish.  I caught one in 30-40 minutes, so...was kinda annoyed. I saw catfish rolling everywhere so put on a herring pattern and sure enough, caught two.  Two was enough, but i threw them on the stringer.  

Then at 5, I started with the shad again.  From 5-6 it kind of turned on with 15 to hand.  Tons of short strikes.  

It was a nice outing.  when I packed it in, I tossed the catfish to some guys on shore.  They were very confused as to why I didn't want to carry them over and put them in their cooler, but saying covid 19 seemed to get the point across.  

Then 

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 10:00:12 AM UTC-4, Misha Gill wrote:
I've gotten out twice now to Occoquan for some shad fishing. The first trip I totaled up 14 fish and my largest ever measured hickory shad at 19.25". I believe I may have caught bigger in years past when I did not have the benefit of my check-it stick, but since it wasn't measured it doesn't count. Over 19" is pretty darn good for a hickory shad though!

I got out on Monday figuring that the cloud cover and the light wind would be conducive to catching shad. As so often happens, expectations were not quite accurate. I started fishing at 1:30 and by 4 pm I only had 7 or 8 shad, with a couple nice female hickories over 17" inches coming to hand and the rest being some sporty but smaller males. I hooked two large fish above the pedestrian bridge that got away. One that I could tell was big when it burrowed down deep but twisted free after a few seconds. The second I had seen roll near the bank in a non-shad seeming spot. This fish took off on a run after being hooked that took me into my backing. Could have been anything! Odds are it was a catfish, but my gut says striper. 

Anyhow, I moseyed back down to my spot below the pedestrian bridge around 3:30/3:45. Then the clouds went away and the bite came on. I proceeded to rack up about a dozen and a half fish over the next hour, including the two pictured fish. The silvery one was 17 and 7/8, the yellowish one was 17 and 3/4.  Fly color preference flipped too. Before the sun came out, red and white did the trick. After the sun came out, chartreuse and white was the ticket. I was scheduled to stop fishing at 4:30, but my rule is if I cant go three casts without catching a shad, then I don't have to leave, period. Finally packed it in around 5 pm though after catching that last big one. Good to go out on a high note.

Water was a little stained but not too high. Tide was low when I started and coming near top when I left (probably also a contributing factor to the bite turning on). Tons of other fishermen were on the banks and no one was being good about social distancing. I had to politely decline help from several folks in setting up the foldcat. It is so funny to me how many people are on the banks casting crankbaits down at Occoquan. Here I am having a ball catching shad and there you are trying to catch bass from shore in an extremely heavily pressured spot. I just hope some folks see this and think to switch to shad fishing, rather than proceeding to lose $6 crankbaits in the trees. One dude had a sweeweet carp fishing setup though. He was in the parking lot under rt 123. Had the bite alarms, slingshot, and everything. It was a bit inconvenient that he was draping three lines over the kayak drag, but then again there were also two other dudes set up in the same spot bait fishing, so I had to go further down the shore into the power line easement to launch anyways. As I was coming back in there were several plups from him slingshotting his bait out to where I was rowing. 

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} shad on the Potomac ... where to try...

I'm hoping some more experienced folks can suggest a few spots or stretches of the Potomac to try for shad.

I'm fortunate enough to have a small boat with a 150 HP motor that I launch at Columbia Island and head up river.

I've even taken if (carefully) above the chain bridge by a couple of hundred yards... you have to say close to the VA side in the fast water,
then head towards the DC side to a calm pool and anchor up quickly.

When you're ready to leave, you also have to be on your toes.

My boat is definitely sea-worthy, and I *always* wear an inflatable fanny-pack style life vest, plus I'll don a regular vest when I'm in fast water.

With all of that said, I'd appreciate some tips of where I'm likely to find the shad at this time.

I can go anywhere from 3 sister's island, up past and above fletchers, and even slightly past the chain bridge.

Also, I can go up stream and drift...  In fact, I have a drift sock too, but I doubt that will help, as I think they really only slow you down when the drift is caused by wind, not by current.

P.S.  -- Call me slow to learn if you like... over the years, I've damaged two props going up there... the 2nd time bending my prop shaft as well....
Then in early April, I was coming home at speed, and the river was low... and I didn't have my GPS with Nav charts, so I went by memory of the river, holding close to the VA shore, and a couple hundred yards before fletcher's...  I discovered that my knowledge of the river wasn't as good as I remember.!  (see photo)...


Anyway, the good-ol' merc was kind enough to get me home at a put-put speed, so I didn't have to drift, use my trolling motor to get home VERY slowly, or use my Tow-Boat US membership to call for a tow.

Now... 1 new-to-me lower unit later, I'm back in business, and I found where I had hidden my GPS so that no one would steal it over the winter :-).   The GPS, with charts and depth soundings plus "trails" for everywhere I've been on the river, really, really, makes a difference!  (so I've learned... the hard way!)

Well, enough of the story (I hope it was entertaining).    If any seasoned pro's can suggest portions that might be fruitful, and provide some tips of what to look for (like the "seams" where fast water swirls into a pocket)... I'd definitely appreciate it.

P.S. -- The boat is OLD (1992)... and the motor is an '89 that I rebuilt myself... so it's ratty, and not fancy, but it floats, goes fast, and it's long-been-paid-for (!!!)... so it's purrrfect if you ask me.  :-)

        -Phil

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Occoquan Shad Report

This entire string was very helpful and encouraging.   Thanks Misha for getting it started and to all that contributed.  I thought I was land locked, but a number of contributors on various different posts have helped me understand that I can still get on the water - now about all this rain!  Gregg

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 10:00:12 AM UTC-4, Misha Gill wrote:
I've gotten out twice now to Occoquan for some shad fishing. The first trip I totaled up 14 fish and my largest ever measured hickory shad at 19.25". I believe I may have caught bigger in years past when I did not have the benefit of my check-it stick, but since it wasn't measured it doesn't count. Over 19" is pretty darn good for a hickory shad though!

I got out on Monday figuring that the cloud cover and the light wind would be conducive to catching shad. As so often happens, expectations were not quite accurate. I started fishing at 1:30 and by 4 pm I only had 7 or 8 shad, with a couple nice female hickories over 17" inches coming to hand and the rest being some sporty but smaller males. I hooked two large fish above the pedestrian bridge that got away. One that I could tell was big when it burrowed down deep but twisted free after a few seconds. The second I had seen roll near the bank in a non-shad seeming spot. This fish took off on a run after being hooked that took me into my backing. Could have been anything! Odds are it was a catfish, but my gut says striper. 

Anyhow, I moseyed back down to my spot below the pedestrian bridge around 3:30/3:45. Then the clouds went away and the bite came on. I proceeded to rack up about a dozen and a half fish over the next hour, including the two pictured fish. The silvery one was 17 and 7/8, the yellowish one was 17 and 3/4.  Fly color preference flipped too. Before the sun came out, red and white did the trick. After the sun came out, chartreuse and white was the ticket. I was scheduled to stop fishing at 4:30, but my rule is if I cant go three casts without catching a shad, then I don't have to leave, period. Finally packed it in around 5 pm though after catching that last big one. Good to go out on a high note.

Water was a little stained but not too high. Tide was low when I started and coming near top when I left (probably also a contributing factor to the bite turning on). Tons of other fishermen were on the banks and no one was being good about social distancing. I had to politely decline help from several folks in setting up the foldcat. It is so funny to me how many people are on the banks casting crankbaits down at Occoquan. Here I am having a ball catching shad and there you are trying to catch bass from shore in an extremely heavily pressured spot. I just hope some folks see this and think to switch to shad fishing, rather than proceeding to lose $6 crankbaits in the trees. One dude had a sweeweet carp fishing setup though. He was in the parking lot under rt 123. Had the bite alarms, slingshot, and everything. It was a bit inconvenient that he was draping three lines over the kayak drag, but then again there were also two other dudes set up in the same spot bait fishing, so I had to go further down the shore into the power line easement to launch anyways. As I was coming back in there were several plups from him slingshotting his bait out to where I was rowing. 

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Occoquan Shad Report

I'd say it's about equally as easy to keep a safe distance from folks when launching at Occoquan as it is to keep a safe distance from people in the grocery store. My foldcat takes a minute to set up too, and people are always curious, so it's probably harder for me than it would be for a kayak fisherman.

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Wow this sounds promising. Possible to keep a safe distance from folks? I'm dying to get out and fish, but crowds and COVID does have me nervous. 

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 3:05:15 PM UTC-4, Kevin KB wrote:
I went down to Occoquan looking for where Misha went into the river.  Walking the boardwalk, I came across Penguin Paddling where they rent kayaks and paddleboards.  I also found out that they are currently letting kayakers with their own boats for free.  Right now they are open from noon til 6pm.  Slightly longer hours on weekends.   Check out their website.

Thanks Misha for the idea.  

Kevin



On Wed, Apr 22, 2020, 2:49 PM Misha Gill <mish...@gmail.com> wrote:
Also, thanks to Gregg DiSalvo for the idea to go to Occoquan in the first place. I was legit mourning the loss of access to Fletcher's and Gregg reminded me about Occoquan. I tend to think of it as the other side of the moon because of all the traffic on the 95 corridor, but without traffic it's a short 20 minutes from my house to the spot! Thanks again Gregg.

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