Wednesday, 31 October 2018

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: New in town

Righteous fish porn, Vo.

On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 12:37:51 PM UTC-4, Vo wrote:


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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Salmon River Trip

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On Oct 31, 2018, at 11:05 AM, Terry C <flycstrva56@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm heading up to the SR Thursday morning for the weekend for a little steelheading.  Anyone else going to be up there.  I'll post report when I get back.  As usual my luck everytime I go the SR water levels gets bumped up due to lots of rain. Oh well make the best of it. 

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The park had planned to shock that section of the Rose last year to catch and kill the browns. Looks like they need to do it again, they're bad news for the brookies.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Salmon River Trip

I'm heading up to the SR Thursday morning for the weekend for a little steelheading.  Anyone else going to be up there.  I'll post report when I get back.  As usual my luck everytime I go the SR water levels gets bumped up due to lots of rain. Oh well make the best of it. 

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Fishing in the winter

There are several opportunities for fly fishing in the winter around DC. Don't let the cooler weather get you down. Firstly, all of Maryland's major trout streams have been stocked. There are fishing opportunities as close as 30 min. outside of DC, and at least 5 stocked trout streams within an hour of DC on the Maryland side including Middle Patuxent, Little Patuxent (go to Savage Mill and walk down to the confluence and fish up and downstream on both rivers), Daniels area on the Patapsco in Ellicott City (about 45 min north of the city), the Gunpowder river (1 hr, 10 min north of the city, well-stocked with rainbow, but a nice population of small wild brown trout that rise to midges all winter long because its a tailwater - its also stunningly gorgeous and empty in the winter). The Potomac smallmouth fishery is year-long and now finally the river levels will steady up and drop as the weather cools concentrating them around warm water outlets (check out the Pepco plant in Dickerson, MD). For smallies I'd use a 6wt and intermediate or sinking line and clousers or even large #8 - 10 nymphs under an indicator.

Though many of the Chesapeake guides are already booked, between now and mid-January there should be an excellent striper bite. You could look for an available weekday and take a buddy to split the costs. The advantage is you'll have a guide to teach you since you're a beginner. And some  of the best striper fishing comes on cool to cold overcast days (as long as there is no wind).

I'm sure other members can speak better to VA side but also take a look at the VA stocking schedule to see if Passage Creek (about 45 min from city) is fishing.

If you have a car, winter is a good time to get out and explore! For example, if you're willing to drive up to 2 hours that would also get you to the lower Pennsylvania spring creeks which fish well all year because they hold a steady temp and attract a lot of fly anglers who you can chat up (Yellow Breeches, Spring Creek, etc.). Check out TCO for those.

So start by getting a couple of good guide books on VA, MD, and central PA and do your homework. Follow the stocking schedules. Make sure you've got trout gear and bass gear, and call the local fly shops like Beaver Creek, TCO, and Great Feathers.

good luck!


On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 9:56:45 PM UTC-4, jawilli...@gmail.com wrote:
I've been living in DC for about 5 years, but I've only been fly fishing since June, and I'm definitely hooked. Really bummed that the warmer season is coming to a close, but was wondering if there are places around here to still fish through the colder months?

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: New in town

Those pa creeks are a joke. If you are used to fishing the op you will be very dissapointed. Pa stocks a ridiculous number of fish and they can really stack up so you can rack up some serious numbers. Most guys are chucking and ducking.

Ny has some better options for sure but the wild winter fish on the op are special.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Fishing in the winter

Yeah if you are desperate to get out and don't feel like traveling a couple hours for what will probabaly be mediocre fishing, four mile run is an option as the water stays warm. In addition to the spring creeks ect you can always go up to New York and fish for steelhead. Not my favorite time to fish for them unless there is a warm spel but you can catch fish and conditions are less crowded.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: New in town

Vladimir, those browns are amazing!

I have only ever talked to people about salmon fishing in PA, I definitely like to know more, like where to go that isn't crowded. As for steelhead I fished in ontario, those could be very different fish, but outside of size they were pretty dud fish.

Maybe we should create a topic on salmon/brown/steelhead in PA. I'd certainly make the trip to have a go at those browns.

On Thursday, October 25, 2018 at 6:45:01 PM UTC-4, smith.b...@gmail.com wrote:
Hey All,

Just wanted to introduce myself and apologize in advance for any dumb questions I ask regarding fishing in the area. I just moved from Alaska and am certainly missing the ability to fish on my lunch break through the summer. I have been reading about the stripers and shad, two species I have never fished for, so feel like I definitely have a lot to learn. Would love any tips about what flies to use, and which methods work best. I have a 2, 5 and 8-wt rod, as well as lots of flies typical for trout, dollies, and grayling, but nothing specifically for stripers.

I have been walking the dogs at Rock Creek, but haven't seen anything moving in the water there. Any good tips for a newbie to the area? Any gotchas I should know before getting a line wet?

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Fishing in the winter

Although I don't live in the DC area anymore, I can provide some insight on this as I used to fish 12 months out of the year when I lived up there. 

In November, you can still get Smallies and Stripers and some of the streams in the area  and within 3 hours are fishing very well.

Usually from December - March (the time I assume you are talking about), I would either fish spring creeks in the area or fish warm up days for brookies. It's definitely not the best fishing but I have had days where it got warm enough to get brookies on dry flies in January. We apply the same concept down in VB in the salt on Reds and Trout. It can, if timed well, provide some great fishing.

Hope this helps. It's definitely my least favorite time of the year but definitely not the time to pack it in.  Also for what it's worth, some people do fish 4mr in the winter. I never got into that place but a lot of people on here will recommend it as well.

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Tuesday, 30 October 2018

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Fishing in the winter

I've been living in DC for about 5 years, but I've only been fly fishing since June, and I'm definitely hooked. Really bummed that the warmer season is coming to a close, but was wondering if there are places around here to still fish through the colder months?

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Monday, 29 October 2018

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I wouldn't mind knowing some more, its a lot easier to run up to PA on a long weekend than it is to go out to the olympic peninsula. The last steelies I got out of the lakes were kinda dud fish, its as if they knew they were hooked and just sat on the end of my line like limp noodles while I reeled them in, but that was up in Ontario a long time ago.

On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 10:12:08 AM UTC-4, chad tokowicz wrote:
Let me know if you want more info on the salmon and steelhead fishing. Have already made two trips up and going for my third in two weeks with another planned in December.....

I love the lake runs :)

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On Oct 28, 2018, at 9:16 AM, robert mills <robertm...@gmail.com> wrote:

sorry I only fished rock creek in the MD, didn't know DC would have different regs, makes sense though as it transitions to a national park in DC, right?


If you are willing to go up into PA or NY you can get salmon runs that come out of the lakes, but from what I've been told the salmon fishing is combat fishing. They also have a fish they call a steelhead, and technically it is a steelhead, but the fight isn't anywhere near the same as the fish on the west coast, but they do get quite large.   

I fished ships creek once and never went again, I really liked symphony lake and crescent lake down near Moose Pass as well. So many great options. I alsways forget about the berries, I remember hiking skyline traverse one time when I brought my wife up, we packed in water and snacks and ended up just stuffing our faces with all the berries. That was my first experience with watermelon berries.                 

On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 2:41:32 AM UTC-4, Brian Cohen wrote:
Hi Brian - Rob's email has tons of great info, but just wanted to clarify about Rock Creek.   In DC, you can fish all of Rock Creek from Porter Street down to the where it meets the Potomac.   There are some surprisingly decent spots in both the upper and lower stretch.   I've caught bass, catfish, stripers, creek chub, and tons of bluegill in the upper stretches, and in the lower stretches anything in the Potomac is likely to come into the Creek.  

I am not a particularly experienced or accomplished fly fisherman, but I really enjoy fishing Rock Creek - something about catching a nice fish on a surprisingly attractive  stretch of stream smack dab in the middle of the city makes it really special - and I'd be happy to go out with you sometime.  Just send me an email when spring rolls around.

You'll need a DC license, and - given CSOs - you should avoid fishing it within 48-72 hours of a heavy rain.  A four- or five-weight with a floating line works fine for Rock Creek.

BC

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 8:44 AM robert mills <robertm...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Brian, 

I work out of Anchorage and Kenai a fair bit in the summer so I can definitely relate, a day hike up to rabbit lake or fishing the mouth of the kenai was always an option that I don't have here. A big trout here is a snack for a lot of the trout up in AK


I'm currently down in southern VA fishing for stripers off my wife's dock, I've caught a few fish in the low-mid 20s, but mostly sub 20in fish, I've also caught some speckled trout and bluefish, and foul hooked a shad on my spinning rod (use that to see if anything is around). I haven't had much luck fishing for stripers from shore up north with a fly rod, but from a boat I've had great luck. If you are new to stripers I'd suggest booking yourself a one day charter with a guide and asking lots of questions. Jeff Lewatowski (http://www.fishlews.com/) is who I've gone out with and its always been fun, he also guides trout fishing on the various streams in MD. I suggest Jeff as he is one of the few guides who is a fly fisherman, not just someone who will allow you to fly fish off their charter boat, and he'll supply rods and flies. 

as for gear to get I'd suggest investing in a sinking line or tip for your 8wt, some of the spots I've been told to fish for stripers like kent island narrows is deep and has strong currents, it'll also come in handy for shad. I've also found that chartruese and white deceivers and clousers work the best for stripers, and the bigger and fuller the body the better they take. I tied up a big ugly 5in C&W deceiver with UV2 super hair on a 3/0 hook and had it smashed constantly until I lost it to a decent sized bluefish at the dock.


As for shad I've fished for them right in georgetown at fletcher's cove, you will definitely need heavy shad darts and a sinking tip for those when they are running, I know a lot of people go down there to spey fish as well. Shad can be quite fun but aren't particularly acrobatic, imagine them as kinda like greyling in terms of fight. You'll also need a DC licence to fish fletcher's but its $16 annual and can be purchased online.

I've been fishing a few rivers in PA (spruce, spring, penns) and the Gunpowder just north of baltimore. The gunpowder is a great relaxing river, fish aren't large but are fun on lighter tackle. These guys may call me crazy but I've been scandi fishing caddis and streamers on my 3wt trout spey ( equal to ~5wt singlehand) the last few times I've been out there and have been doing well and covering a lot of water with little backcast. When the water was up real high I was hucking a 10ft t8 sink tip on a light skagit line and really getting a streamer down and that seemed to be the ticket when everyone else was having no luck on nymphs.

You also mentioned Rock Creek, it is actually illegal to fish rock creek except at lake needwood, at least that was what I was told by an officer one day while I was out microfishing off one of the bridges. However the outlet at needwood to the creek is open for fishing and is super productive for various species.

Another note I've heard some people fish the tidal basin, it'd be worth it just to go down and get a photo of a catch with the monuments in the background, don't know of the legality of it, perhaps someone here can chime in.



Rob



On Thursday, October 25, 2018 at 6:45:01 PM UTC-4, smith.b...@gmail.com wrote:
Hey All,

Just wanted to introduce myself and apologize in advance for any dumb questions I ask regarding fishing in the area. I just moved from Alaska and am certainly missing the ability to fish on my lunch break through the summer. I have been reading about the stripers and shad, two species I have never fished for, so feel like I definitely have a lot to learn. Would love any tips about what flies to use, and which methods work best. I have a 2, 5 and 8-wt rod, as well as lots of flies typical for trout, dollies, and grayling, but nothing specifically for stripers.

I have been walking the dogs at Rock Creek, but haven't seen anything moving in the water there. Any good tips for a newbie to the area? Any gotchas I should know before getting a line wet?

Thanks and tight lines!

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Sunday, 28 October 2018

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Let me know if you want more info on the salmon and steelhead fishing. Have already made two trips up and going for my third in two weeks with another planned in December.....

I love the lake runs :)




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On Oct 28, 2018, at 9:16 AM, robert mills <robertmills.arc@gmail.com> wrote:

sorry I only fished rock creek in the MD, didn't know DC would have different regs, makes sense though as it transitions to a national park in DC, right?


If you are willing to go up into PA or NY you can get salmon runs that come out of the lakes, but from what I've been told the salmon fishing is combat fishing. They also have a fish they call a steelhead, and technically it is a steelhead, but the fight isn't anywhere near the same as the fish on the west coast, but they do get quite large.   

I fished ships creek once and never went again, I really liked symphony lake and crescent lake down near Moose Pass as well. So many great options. I alsways forget about the berries, I remember hiking skyline traverse one time when I brought my wife up, we packed in water and snacks and ended up just stuffing our faces with all the berries. That was my first experience with watermelon berries.                 

On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 2:41:32 AM UTC-4, Brian Cohen wrote:
Hi Brian - Rob's email has tons of great info, but just wanted to clarify about Rock Creek.   In DC, you can fish all of Rock Creek from Porter Street down to the where it meets the Potomac.   There are some surprisingly decent spots in both the upper and lower stretch.   I've caught bass, catfish, stripers, creek chub, and tons of bluegill in the upper stretches, and in the lower stretches anything in the Potomac is likely to come into the Creek.  

I am not a particularly experienced or accomplished fly fisherman, but I really enjoy fishing Rock Creek - something about catching a nice fish on a surprisingly attractive  stretch of stream smack dab in the middle of the city makes it really special - and I'd be happy to go out with you sometime.  Just send me an email when spring rolls around.

You'll need a DC license, and - given CSOs - you should avoid fishing it within 48-72 hours of a heavy rain.  A four- or five-weight with a floating line works fine for Rock Creek.

BC

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 8:44 AM robert mills <robertm...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Brian, 

I work out of Anchorage and Kenai a fair bit in the summer so I can definitely relate, a day hike up to rabbit lake or fishing the mouth of the kenai was always an option that I don't have here. A big trout here is a snack for a lot of the trout up in AK


I'm currently down in southern VA fishing for stripers off my wife's dock, I've caught a few fish in the low-mid 20s, but mostly sub 20in fish, I've also caught some speckled trout and bluefish, and foul hooked a shad on my spinning rod (use that to see if anything is around). I haven't had much luck fishing for stripers from shore up north with a fly rod, but from a boat I've had great luck. If you are new to stripers I'd suggest booking yourself a one day charter with a guide and asking lots of questions. Jeff Lewatowski (http://www.fishlews.com/) is who I've gone out with and its always been fun, he also guides trout fishing on the various streams in MD. I suggest Jeff as he is one of the few guides who is a fly fisherman, not just someone who will allow you to fly fish off their charter boat, and he'll supply rods and flies. 

as for gear to get I'd suggest investing in a sinking line or tip for your 8wt, some of the spots I've been told to fish for stripers like kent island narrows is deep and has strong currents, it'll also come in handy for shad. I've also found that chartruese and white deceivers and clousers work the best for stripers, and the bigger and fuller the body the better they take. I tied up a big ugly 5in C&W deceiver with UV2 super hair on a 3/0 hook and had it smashed constantly until I lost it to a decent sized bluefish at the dock.


As for shad I've fished for them right in georgetown at fletcher's cove, you will definitely need heavy shad darts and a sinking tip for those when they are running, I know a lot of people go down there to spey fish as well. Shad can be quite fun but aren't particularly acrobatic, imagine them as kinda like greyling in terms of fight. You'll also need a DC licence to fish fletcher's but its $16 annual and can be purchased online.

I've been fishing a few rivers in PA (spruce, spring, penns) and the Gunpowder just north of baltimore. The gunpowder is a great relaxing river, fish aren't large but are fun on lighter tackle. These guys may call me crazy but I've been scandi fishing caddis and streamers on my 3wt trout spey ( equal to ~5wt singlehand) the last few times I've been out there and have been doing well and covering a lot of water with little backcast. When the water was up real high I was hucking a 10ft t8 sink tip on a light skagit line and really getting a streamer down and that seemed to be the ticket when everyone else was having no luck on nymphs.

You also mentioned Rock Creek, it is actually illegal to fish rock creek except at lake needwood, at least that was what I was told by an officer one day while I was out microfishing off one of the bridges. However the outlet at needwood to the creek is open for fishing and is super productive for various species.

Another note I've heard some people fish the tidal basin, it'd be worth it just to go down and get a photo of a catch with the monuments in the background, don't know of the legality of it, perhaps someone here can chime in.



Rob



On Thursday, October 25, 2018 at 6:45:01 PM UTC-4, smith.b...@gmail.com wrote:
Hey All,

Just wanted to introduce myself and apologize in advance for any dumb questions I ask regarding fishing in the area. I just moved from Alaska and am certainly missing the ability to fish on my lunch break through the summer. I have been reading about the stripers and shad, two species I have never fished for, so feel like I definitely have a lot to learn. Would love any tips about what flies to use, and which methods work best. I have a 2, 5 and 8-wt rod, as well as lots of flies typical for trout, dollies, and grayling, but nothing specifically for stripers.

I have been walking the dogs at Rock Creek, but haven't seen anything moving in the water there. Any good tips for a newbie to the area? Any gotchas I should know before getting a line wet?

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: New in town

sorry I only fished rock creek in the MD, didn't know DC would have different regs, makes sense though as it transitions to a national park in DC, right?


If you are willing to go up into PA or NY you can get salmon runs that come out of the lakes, but from what I've been told the salmon fishing is combat fishing. They also have a fish they call a steelhead, and technically it is a steelhead, but the fight isn't anywhere near the same as the fish on the west coast, but they do get quite large.   

I fished ships creek once and never went again, I really liked symphony lake and crescent lake down near Moose Pass as well. So many great options. I alsways forget about the berries, I remember hiking skyline traverse one time when I brought my wife up, we packed in water and snacks and ended up just stuffing our faces with all the berries. That was my first experience with watermelon berries.                 

On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 2:41:32 AM UTC-4, Brian Cohen wrote:
Hi Brian - Rob's email has tons of great info, but just wanted to clarify about Rock Creek.   In DC, you can fish all of Rock Creek from Porter Street down to the where it meets the Potomac.   There are some surprisingly decent spots in both the upper and lower stretch.   I've caught bass, catfish, stripers, creek chub, and tons of bluegill in the upper stretches, and in the lower stretches anything in the Potomac is likely to come into the Creek.  

I am not a particularly experienced or accomplished fly fisherman, but I really enjoy fishing Rock Creek - something about catching a nice fish on a surprisingly attractive  stretch of stream smack dab in the middle of the city makes it really special - and I'd be happy to go out with you sometime.  Just send me an email when spring rolls around.

You'll need a DC license, and - given CSOs - you should avoid fishing it within 48-72 hours of a heavy rain.  A four- or five-weight with a floating line works fine for Rock Creek.

BC

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 8:44 AM robert mills <robertm...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Brian, 

I work out of Anchorage and Kenai a fair bit in the summer so I can definitely relate, a day hike up to rabbit lake or fishing the mouth of the kenai was always an option that I don't have here. A big trout here is a snack for a lot of the trout up in AK


I'm currently down in southern VA fishing for stripers off my wife's dock, I've caught a few fish in the low-mid 20s, but mostly sub 20in fish, I've also caught some speckled trout and bluefish, and foul hooked a shad on my spinning rod (use that to see if anything is around). I haven't had much luck fishing for stripers from shore up north with a fly rod, but from a boat I've had great luck. If you are new to stripers I'd suggest booking yourself a one day charter with a guide and asking lots of questions. Jeff Lewatowski (http://www.fishlews.com/) is who I've gone out with and its always been fun, he also guides trout fishing on the various streams in MD. I suggest Jeff as he is one of the few guides who is a fly fisherman, not just someone who will allow you to fly fish off their charter boat, and he'll supply rods and flies. 

as for gear to get I'd suggest investing in a sinking line or tip for your 8wt, some of the spots I've been told to fish for stripers like kent island narrows is deep and has strong currents, it'll also come in handy for shad. I've also found that chartruese and white deceivers and clousers work the best for stripers, and the bigger and fuller the body the better they take. I tied up a big ugly 5in C&W deceiver with UV2 super hair on a 3/0 hook and had it smashed constantly until I lost it to a decent sized bluefish at the dock.


As for shad I've fished for them right in georgetown at fletcher's cove, you will definitely need heavy shad darts and a sinking tip for those when they are running, I know a lot of people go down there to spey fish as well. Shad can be quite fun but aren't particularly acrobatic, imagine them as kinda like greyling in terms of fight. You'll also need a DC licence to fish fletcher's but its $16 annual and can be purchased online.

I've been fishing a few rivers in PA (spruce, spring, penns) and the Gunpowder just north of baltimore. The gunpowder is a great relaxing river, fish aren't large but are fun on lighter tackle. These guys may call me crazy but I've been scandi fishing caddis and streamers on my 3wt trout spey ( equal to ~5wt singlehand) the last few times I've been out there and have been doing well and covering a lot of water with little backcast. When the water was up real high I was hucking a 10ft t8 sink tip on a light skagit line and really getting a streamer down and that seemed to be the ticket when everyone else was having no luck on nymphs.

You also mentioned Rock Creek, it is actually illegal to fish rock creek except at lake needwood, at least that was what I was told by an officer one day while I was out microfishing off one of the bridges. However the outlet at needwood to the creek is open for fishing and is super productive for various species.

Another note I've heard some people fish the tidal basin, it'd be worth it just to go down and get a photo of a catch with the monuments in the background, don't know of the legality of it, perhaps someone here can chime in.



Rob



On Thursday, October 25, 2018 at 6:45:01 PM UTC-4, smith.b...@gmail.com wrote:
Hey All,

Just wanted to introduce myself and apologize in advance for any dumb questions I ask regarding fishing in the area. I just moved from Alaska and am certainly missing the ability to fish on my lunch break through the summer. I have been reading about the stripers and shad, two species I have never fished for, so feel like I definitely have a lot to learn. Would love any tips about what flies to use, and which methods work best. I have a 2, 5 and 8-wt rod, as well as lots of flies typical for trout, dollies, and grayling, but nothing specifically for stripers.

I have been walking the dogs at Rock Creek, but haven't seen anything moving in the water there. Any good tips for a newbie to the area? Any gotchas I should know before getting a line wet?

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Saturday, 27 October 2018

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Carl Smolka

With heavy heart I share this message from Al Warner about long time TPFR member Carl Smolka.

Carl had nearly perfect attendance at John Bilotta's Casting Church and spent many years as a volunteer for Walter Reed Project Healing Waters.

RIP, Carl.

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Subject: Carl Smolka


Good Morning,

 

This week we learned of the passing of our beloved Carl.  Cancer won, we lost. Carl was a recipient of the PHWFF Phil Johnson Exceptional Leadership Award.

 

Carl was our inspiration, our teacher, and a gift we will continue to receive.  He loved PHW, especially the Walter Reed and Ft. Meade programs.  He was a volunteer since the inception in 2005.  Sometimes words on paper, are merely that, words on paper.  In this case they have real meaning.  It is impossible to describe the void Carl leaves.  I know of many tears shed this week.  Carl wouldn't have wanted them, but he deserves them.

 

There have been many tributes paid to Carl in my email box this week. The best are from his students. Lee Barbee, one of Carl's students in the beauties of the vise, wrote:  "This is something incredibly hard for me to process. I've been at a loss for words since reading this email this morning.  The best I can say, is Carl was a hell of a man. He had a ton of heart. He will be greatly missed. I'm so sorry for everyone who knew Carl so well. Especially his family. May he Rest In Peace."

 

Beth Steinberger wrote: "The world lost another great one.... I am so very grateful for the time I had in knowing Carl, and all that he shared about Fly Fishing and life. There will be a huge hole that I doubt one person will ever fill again."

 

Carl was loved and respected and this week, God welcomed him home.  Can you imagine the trout he is catching?  Our deepest condolences to his family.

 

Carl will be honored in a service and viewing next Friday and Saturday.  From the family:

He was the best of all of us,

 

Al

 

 

 

 

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: New in town

Hi Brian - Rob's email has tons of great info, but just wanted to clarify about Rock Creek.   In DC, you can fish all of Rock Creek from Porter Street down to the where it meets the Potomac.   There are some surprisingly decent spots in both the upper and lower stretch.   I've caught bass, catfish, stripers, creek chub, and tons of bluegill in the upper stretches, and in the lower stretches anything in the Potomac is likely to come into the Creek.  

I am not a particularly experienced or accomplished fly fisherman, but I really enjoy fishing Rock Creek - something about catching a nice fish on a surprisingly attractive  stretch of stream smack dab in the middle of the city makes it really special - and I'd be happy to go out with you sometime.  Just send me an email when spring rolls around.

You'll need a DC license, and - given CSOs - you should avoid fishing it within 48-72 hours of a heavy rain.  A four- or five-weight with a floating line works fine for Rock Creek.

BC

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 8:44 AM robert mills <robertmills.arc@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Brian, 

I work out of Anchorage and Kenai a fair bit in the summer so I can definitely relate, a day hike up to rabbit lake or fishing the mouth of the kenai was always an option that I don't have here. A big trout here is a snack for a lot of the trout up in AK


I'm currently down in southern VA fishing for stripers off my wife's dock, I've caught a few fish in the low-mid 20s, but mostly sub 20in fish, I've also caught some speckled trout and bluefish, and foul hooked a shad on my spinning rod (use that to see if anything is around). I haven't had much luck fishing for stripers from shore up north with a fly rod, but from a boat I've had great luck. If you are new to stripers I'd suggest booking yourself a one day charter with a guide and asking lots of questions. Jeff Lewatowski (http://www.fishlews.com/) is who I've gone out with and its always been fun, he also guides trout fishing on the various streams in MD. I suggest Jeff as he is one of the few guides who is a fly fisherman, not just someone who will allow you to fly fish off their charter boat, and he'll supply rods and flies. 

as for gear to get I'd suggest investing in a sinking line or tip for your 8wt, some of the spots I've been told to fish for stripers like kent island narrows is deep and has strong currents, it'll also come in handy for shad. I've also found that chartruese and white deceivers and clousers work the best for stripers, and the bigger and fuller the body the better they take. I tied up a big ugly 5in C&W deceiver with UV2 super hair on a 3/0 hook and had it smashed constantly until I lost it to a decent sized bluefish at the dock.


As for shad I've fished for them right in georgetown at fletcher's cove, you will definitely need heavy shad darts and a sinking tip for those when they are running, I know a lot of people go down there to spey fish as well. Shad can be quite fun but aren't particularly acrobatic, imagine them as kinda like greyling in terms of fight. You'll also need a DC licence to fish fletcher's but its $16 annual and can be purchased online.

I've been fishing a few rivers in PA (spruce, spring, penns) and the Gunpowder just north of baltimore. The gunpowder is a great relaxing river, fish aren't large but are fun on lighter tackle. These guys may call me crazy but I've been scandi fishing caddis and streamers on my 3wt trout spey ( equal to ~5wt singlehand) the last few times I've been out there and have been doing well and covering a lot of water with little backcast. When the water was up real high I was hucking a 10ft t8 sink tip on a light skagit line and really getting a streamer down and that seemed to be the ticket when everyone else was having no luck on nymphs.

You also mentioned Rock Creek, it is actually illegal to fish rock creek except at lake needwood, at least that was what I was told by an officer one day while I was out microfishing off one of the bridges. However the outlet at needwood to the creek is open for fishing and is super productive for various species.

Another note I've heard some people fish the tidal basin, it'd be worth it just to go down and get a photo of a catch with the monuments in the background, don't know of the legality of it, perhaps someone here can chime in.



Rob



On Thursday, October 25, 2018 at 6:45:01 PM UTC-4, smith.b...@gmail.com wrote:
Hey All,

Just wanted to introduce myself and apologize in advance for any dumb questions I ask regarding fishing in the area. I just moved from Alaska and am certainly missing the ability to fish on my lunch break through the summer. I have been reading about the stripers and shad, two species I have never fished for, so feel like I definitely have a lot to learn. Would love any tips about what flies to use, and which methods work best. I have a 2, 5 and 8-wt rod, as well as lots of flies typical for trout, dollies, and grayling, but nothing specifically for stripers.

I have been walking the dogs at Rock Creek, but haven't seen anything moving in the water there. Any good tips for a newbie to the area? Any gotchas I should know before getting a line wet?

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Fishing Saturday

Any suggestions for fishing tomorrow in kayak or wading? Would back of tidal rivers or creeks work for small strippers? Or Kent narrows area?

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Tampa bay/Fort De Soto on the fly

So last night as I previously mentioned I went night fishing The dock lights in around St Pete Beach and St Petersburg. For reason I can guess many of the private boat docks of the very upscale waterfront homes have underwater colored lights. Most of these lights had literally dozens of very sizeable fish in the lights and shadow line. Most of these fish were Snook but as I found out there were redfish and mangrove snappers. We did see some good size specked trout but did not hook any. We also expected to find baby tarpon but did not see any.

The game was simply to throw a white fly into the light and hang on. The fish were on the fly immediately. Most of the fish caught were Snook but also hooked a good size redfish that took a while to land. Also caught a line mangrove snapper that fought very hard. Hooked some large fish that broke me off including the berry last fish I could not control and never saw but had on for some blistering runs before breaking my 30lb tippet.

It was great fun and if your in the Tampa area give Capt Dave Dant, (727) 744-9039, a call.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Yellow Perch

I haven't this year and for that matter didn't do great last year.  The year before was real good.

On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 8:20:58 AM UTC-4, Andrew Sarcinello wrote:
Anybody catch any yellow perch lately? I usually catch some big ones in the fall around bridges mixed in with slab crappie and schoolies. Haven't seen any this year.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Tampa bay/Fort De Soto on the fly

Tom, very cool that you've found some fish still swimming on the beach! For snook and small tarpon, I generally a leader down to 15 lb, and then tie 2-2.5 ft of 30 lb fluoro shock tippet on the end because their mouths can really chafe your leader to nothing. Trent found out the hard way a few years ago when we watched a 30"+ swim off with his fly into the mangroves within seconds of taking the fly.

I texted a friend that lives in St. Pete and he said the red tide has been mostly on the beach, but hasn't impacted the back country fishing in Tampa Bay so far.

Good luck fishing to all of you.

Dalton

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} New in town

Chad,

thanks for the great resources. I will definitely check them out. 

On Thursday, October 25, 2018 at 9:31:38 PM UTC-4, chad tokowicz wrote:
Welcome to the area Brian. I moved down here in may after living in upstate new york and having the ability to slay steelhead and browns from december through may.. .. not to mention the salmon run. As you mentioned it will be a switch for sure but there are plenty of fishing opportunities around. Not sure about rock creek park but probably blue gill.

The 8wt will be perfect for the shad and stripers. Five will be good for the trout (obviously) around here. However, as you get more and more into fishing these creeks/ rivers you will see why it is commonplace to use lighter/shorter rods as some of the water is tight and fish on the smaller side, but still feisty.

Before I go into shad and stripers there are a few excellent resources you can use to learn more about the fishing in the area;
1) https://www.tu.org/blog-posts/voices-from-the-river-tu-internship-fuels-public-lands-appreciation - blog I wrote while interning at TU about local opportunities.
3) This Forum - a lot of threads have been started by guys like us to which a bunch of guys have subsequently responded. Combing through these posts/ previous topics is an easy way to learn a lot.
4) go to local fly shops and talk to the guys .. District angling and orvis are both in Arlington area. 


Some quick spots and species off the top of my head would be
- C&O Canal - Carp (what I target), bluegill, and bass. Probably snakehead too but I am not sure?
-Tidal Basin - Bass, Snakehead, Occasional Striper - mixed bag area - never fished it but many do
- Gravelly point - stripers can be caught on the right tides
- 4 mile run - bass, small stripers, - discharge
- various trout streams, in VA/MD (accontink (close) or gunpowder (know it well) ) 
- Burke Lake - bass, bluegill, Musky, ect. - can rent boats there - this weekend is last weekend until spring.
- turkey run - carp, probably bass.

Never caught shad or stripers in the Potomac, but alot of experience with stripers as I ripped them on Cape Cod for years and subsequently encountered the odd herring here and there. BUT - this is a quick intro to what I have picked up. 
Shad run in the springtime and that is the only time they are caught, by my knowledge, in the Potomac. Fishing from fletchers is very popular and row boats can be rented. Many use a sinking line (full or intermediate) and flies called Shad Darts and other similar patterns. I have also caught them on Clousers and smaller baitfish patterns.

Stripers are a similar situation and do run in the spring, although a population does hold year round, they are smaller than the migratory fish. 

thats all i got right now.

Tight Lines !



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Hey All,

Just wanted to introduce myself and apologize in advance for any dumb questions I ask regarding fishing in the area. I just moved from Alaska and am certainly missing the ability to fish on my lunch break through the summer. I have been reading about the stripers and shad, two species I have never fished for, so feel like I definitely have a lot to learn. Would love any tips about what flies to use, and which methods work best. I have a 2, 5 and 8-wt rod, as well as lots of flies typical for trout, dollies, and grayling, but nothing specifically for stripers.

I have been walking the dogs at Rock Creek, but haven't seen anything moving in the water there. Any good tips for a newbie to the area? Any gotchas I should know before getting a line wet?

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: New in town

Thanks for the info, Rob! Rabbit lake was one of my favorite spots for the trifecta of a beautiful hike, good fishing, and berry picking on the way out! I also grew to tolerate combat fishing ship creek on my lunch break during the king and silver runs.

It sounds like Jeff would be a great place to start. I've never fished a sinking line before so a guide that will both help get me situated with a few local spots as well as help get me started with a new fishing method would be great. 

It seems like with PA, VA, MD, etc., there are a lot of good streams so that is definitely promising. 

On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 8:44:21 AM UTC-4, robert mills wrote:

Hi Brian, 

I work out of Anchorage and Kenai a fair bit in the summer so I can definitely relate, a day hike up to rabbit lake or fishing the mouth of the kenai was always an option that I don't have here. A big trout here is a snack for a lot of the trout up in AK


I'm currently down in southern VA fishing for stripers off my wife's dock, I've caught a few fish in the low-mid 20s, but mostly sub 20in fish, I've also caught some speckled trout and bluefish, and foul hooked a shad on my spinning rod (use that to see if anything is around). I haven't had much luck fishing for stripers from shore up north with a fly rod, but from a boat I've had great luck. If you are new to stripers I'd suggest booking yourself a one day charter with a guide and asking lots of questions. Jeff Lewatowski (http://www.fishlews.com/) is who I've gone out with and its always been fun, he also guides trout fishing on the various streams in MD. I suggest Jeff as he is one of the few guides who is a fly fisherman, not just someone who will allow you to fly fish off their charter boat, and he'll supply rods and flies. 

as for gear to get I'd suggest investing in a sinking line or tip for your 8wt, some of the spots I've been told to fish for stripers like kent island narrows is deep and has strong currents, it'll also come in handy for shad. I've also found that chartruese and white deceivers and clousers work the best for stripers, and the bigger and fuller the body the better they take. I tied up a big ugly 5in C&W deceiver with UV2 super hair on a 3/0 hook and had it smashed constantly until I lost it to a decent sized bluefish at the dock.


As for shad I've fished for them right in georgetown at fletcher's cove, you will definitely need heavy shad darts and a sinking tip for those when they are running, I know a lot of people go down there to spey fish as well. Shad can be quite fun but aren't particularly acrobatic, imagine them as kinda like greyling in terms of fight. You'll also need a DC licence to fish fletcher's but its $16 annual and can be purchased online.

I've been fishing a few rivers in PA (spruce, spring, penns) and the Gunpowder just north of baltimore. The gunpowder is a great relaxing river, fish aren't large but are fun on lighter tackle. These guys may call me crazy but I've been scandi fishing caddis and streamers on my 3wt trout spey ( equal to ~5wt singlehand) the last few times I've been out there and have been doing well and covering a lot of water with little backcast. When the water was up real high I was hucking a 10ft t8 sink tip on a light skagit line and really getting a streamer down and that seemed to be the ticket when everyone else was having no luck on nymphs.

You also mentioned Rock Creek, it is actually illegal to fish rock creek except at lake needwood, at least that was what I was told by an officer one day while I was out microfishing off one of the bridges. However the outlet at needwood to the creek is open for fishing and is super productive for various species.

Another note I've heard some people fish the tidal basin, it'd be worth it just to go down and get a photo of a catch with the monuments in the background, don't know of the legality of it, perhaps someone here can chime in.



Rob



On Thursday, October 25, 2018 at 6:45:01 PM UTC-4, smith.b...@gmail.com wrote:
Hey All,

Just wanted to introduce myself and apologize in advance for any dumb questions I ask regarding fishing in the area. I just moved from Alaska and am certainly missing the ability to fish on my lunch break through the summer. I have been reading about the stripers and shad, two species I have never fished for, so feel like I definitely have a lot to learn. Would love any tips about what flies to use, and which methods work best. I have a 2, 5 and 8-wt rod, as well as lots of flies typical for trout, dollies, and grayling, but nothing specifically for stripers.

I have been walking the dogs at Rock Creek, but haven't seen anything moving in the water there. Any good tips for a newbie to the area? Any gotchas I should know before getting a line wet?

Thanks and tight lines!

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Hi Brian, 

I work out of Anchorage and Kenai a fair bit in the summer so I can definitely relate, a day hike up to rabbit lake or fishing the mouth of the kenai was always an option that I don't have here. A big trout here is a snack for a lot of the trout up in AK


I'm currently down in southern VA fishing for stripers off my wife's dock, I've caught a few fish in the low-mid 20s, but mostly sub 20in fish, I've also caught some speckled trout and bluefish, and foul hooked a shad on my spinning rod (use that to see if anything is around). I haven't had much luck fishing for stripers from shore up north with a fly rod, but from a boat I've had great luck. If you are new to stripers I'd suggest booking yourself a one day charter with a guide and asking lots of questions. Jeff Lewatowski (http://www.fishlews.com/) is who I've gone out with and its always been fun, he also guides trout fishing on the various streams in MD. I suggest Jeff as he is one of the few guides who is a fly fisherman, not just someone who will allow you to fly fish off their charter boat, and he'll supply rods and flies. 

as for gear to get I'd suggest investing in a sinking line or tip for your 8wt, some of the spots I've been told to fish for stripers like kent island narrows is deep and has strong currents, it'll also come in handy for shad. I've also found that chartruese and white deceivers and clousers work the best for stripers, and the bigger and fuller the body the better they take. I tied up a big ugly 5in C&W deceiver with UV2 super hair on a 3/0 hook and had it smashed constantly until I lost it to a decent sized bluefish at the dock.


As for shad I've fished for them right in georgetown at fletcher's cove, you will definitely need heavy shad darts and a sinking tip for those when they are running, I know a lot of people go down there to spey fish as well. Shad can be quite fun but aren't particularly acrobatic, imagine them as kinda like greyling in terms of fight. You'll also need a DC licence to fish fletcher's but its $16 annual and can be purchased online.

I've been fishing a few rivers in PA (spruce, spring, penns) and the Gunpowder just north of baltimore. The gunpowder is a great relaxing river, fish aren't large but are fun on lighter tackle. These guys may call me crazy but I've been scandi fishing caddis and streamers on my 3wt trout spey ( equal to ~5wt singlehand) the last few times I've been out there and have been doing well and covering a lot of water with little backcast. When the water was up real high I was hucking a 10ft t8 sink tip on a light skagit line and really getting a streamer down and that seemed to be the ticket when everyone else was having no luck on nymphs.

You also mentioned Rock Creek, it is actually illegal to fish rock creek except at lake needwood, at least that was what I was told by an officer one day while I was out microfishing off one of the bridges. However the outlet at needwood to the creek is open for fishing and is super productive for various species.

Another note I've heard some people fish the tidal basin, it'd be worth it just to go down and get a photo of a catch with the monuments in the background, don't know of the legality of it, perhaps someone here can chime in.



Rob



On Thursday, October 25, 2018 at 6:45:01 PM UTC-4, smith.b...@gmail.com wrote:
Hey All,

Just wanted to introduce myself and apologize in advance for any dumb questions I ask regarding fishing in the area. I just moved from Alaska and am certainly missing the ability to fish on my lunch break through the summer. I have been reading about the stripers and shad, two species I have never fished for, so feel like I definitely have a lot to learn. Would love any tips about what flies to use, and which methods work best. I have a 2, 5 and 8-wt rod, as well as lots of flies typical for trout, dollies, and grayling, but nothing specifically for stripers.

I have been walking the dogs at Rock Creek, but haven't seen anything moving in the water there. Any good tips for a newbie to the area? Any gotchas I should know before getting a line wet?

Thanks and tight lines!

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