Saturday, 30 June 2018

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} DC Fishing Licence - electric copy ok?

Great news!

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On Jun 30, 2018, at 9:16 PM, Jeff Cook <macuaig@icloud.com> wrote:

I did mine in May online and printed it out. No problems, done in 5 minutes. The printout is legal, but it does have to visible while you fish. 


On Jun 30, 2018, at 8:38 PM, John Hammill <john.b.hammill@gmail.com> wrote:

DC is horrible for on-line for licenses. I once purchased one, they charged me 4 times, I never got it, then I got an email from a DC employee asking me to please send pdf's of the charges via email and also to MAIL THEM copies. Thank God for a good credit card company! This was pre-2010, by which time Mayor Fenty has cleaned up the DMV and the website and put in bike lanes.

If you have a bee in your bonnet to fish, you can obtain one at Fletcher's Boathouse on Canal Road. I'm not sure what their hours are this weekend and next week though. I'd call first.

http://boatingindc.com/boathouses/fletchers-boathouse/


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On Jun 30, 2018, at 8:19 PM, steveacctfish@gmail.com wrote:

I applied and paid for a DC fishing licence a few weeks ago but haven't received the card in the mail.

When I paid for it the website seemed to indicate that I should take a screenshot for record. Is an electronic copy of the DC license OK or do I need to wait for the card to turn up?

It seems a lot less transparent than VA which has a very nice app based system...

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} DC Fishing Licence - electric copy ok?

I did mine in May online and printed it out. No problems, done in 5 minutes. The printout is legal, but it does have to visible while you fish. 


On Jun 30, 2018, at 8:38 PM, John Hammill <john.b.hammill@gmail.com> wrote:

DC is horrible for on-line for licenses. I once purchased one, they charged me 4 times, I never got it, then I got an email from a DC employee asking me to please send pdf's of the charges via email and also to MAIL THEM copies. Thank God for a good credit card company! This was pre-2010, by which time Mayor Fenty has cleaned up the DMV and the website and put in bike lanes.

If you have a bee in your bonnet to fish, you can obtain one at Fletcher's Boathouse on Canal Road. I'm not sure what their hours are this weekend and next week though. I'd call first.

http://boatingindc.com/boathouses/fletchers-boathouse/


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On Jun 30, 2018, at 8:19 PM, steveacctfish@gmail.com wrote:

I applied and paid for a DC fishing licence a few weeks ago but haven't received the card in the mail.

When I paid for it the website seemed to indicate that I should take a screenshot for record. Is an electronic copy of the DC license OK or do I need to wait for the card to turn up?

It seems a lot less transparent than VA which has a very nice app based system...

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} DC Fishing Licence - electric copy ok?

DC is horrible for on-line for licenses. I once purchased one, they charged me 4 times, I never got it, then I got an email from a DC employee asking me to please send pdf's of the charges via email and also to MAIL THEM copies. Thank God for a good credit card company! This was pre-2010, by which time Mayor Fenty has cleaned up the DMV and the website and put in bike lanes.

If you have a bee in your bonnet to fish, you can obtain one at Fletcher's Boathouse on Canal Road. I'm not sure what their hours are this weekend and next week though. I'd call first.

http://boatingindc.com/boathouses/fletchers-boathouse/


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On Jun 30, 2018, at 8:19 PM, steveacctfish@gmail.com wrote:

I applied and paid for a DC fishing licence a few weeks ago but haven't received the card in the mail.

When I paid for it the website seemed to indicate that I should take a screenshot for record. Is an electronic copy of the DC license OK or do I need to wait for the card to turn up?

It seems a lot less transparent than VA which has a very nice app based system...

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} DC Fishing Licence - electric copy ok?

I applied and paid for a DC fishing licence a few weeks ago but haven't received the card in the mail.

When I paid for it the website seemed to indicate that I should take a screenshot for record. Is an electronic copy of the DC license OK or do I need to wait for the card to turn up?

It seems a lot less transparent than VA which has a very nice app based system...

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Pohick Bay fishing

Look for any kind of structure wood , spatter dock lilly pad. Get your fly close to the stucture your fishing . 
Out going tide is usually the most productive time to fish
If you can get a copy of Tidal Bass Fishing  ( not sure if that's exactly the title and if it's not it will be something very similar )
By Ken Penrod ,great book full of useful information.

Hope this helps a little.

Vo 

On Sat, Jun 30, 2018, 3:18 PM William Hea <william.b.hea@gmail.com> wrote:
Going on a last minute camping trip to Gunston Cove/Pohick Bay. Any recommendations for where to fish for bass? Going to try to hit early morning and late evening hard.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Pohick Bay fishing

Going on a last minute camping trip to Gunston Cove/Pohick Bay. Any recommendations for where to fish for bass? Going to try to hit early morning and late evening hard.

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Thursday, 28 June 2018

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: ISO Someone To Create Beer Tie Flier

Always willing to assist also.  Just yell, Linda

On Wednesday, June 27, 2018 at 5:59:26 PM UTC-4, Marnie D wrote:
Rob,

this is Marnie DiCristi, Casey Peltier made me aware of your need...

I do the fliers, announcements, etc., for the CfR Mid-Atlantic.

When do you need the flier?? 

What do you specifically want to see on the flier?

Marnie DiCristi

On Tuesday, June 26, 2018 at 10:51:46 AM UTC-4, Rob Snowhite wrote:
Looking for someone with some computer/art skills to create beer tie fliers to send to local fly shops, Whitlows, outdoor stores, etc.

contact me here or directly.


Waiting on a care package for July beer tie. If I receive it on time we'll be having a popper party July 9.

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Wednesday, 27 June 2018

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: ISO Someone To Create Beer Tie Flier

Rob,

this is Marnie DiCristi, Casey Peltier made me aware of your need...

I do the fliers, announcements, etc., for the CfR Mid-Atlantic.

When do you need the flier?? 

What do you specifically want to see on the flier?

Marnie DiCristi

On Tuesday, June 26, 2018 at 10:51:46 AM UTC-4, Rob Snowhite wrote:
Looking for someone with some computer/art skills to create beer tie fliers to send to local fly shops, Whitlows, outdoor stores, etc.

contact me here or directly.


Waiting on a care package for July beer tie. If I receive it on time we'll be having a popper party July 9.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Abridged summary of tidal-potoma...@googlegroups.com - 3 updates in 2 topics

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From: Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders <tidal-potomac-fly-rodders@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Misha Gill <misha4455@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Abridged summary of tidal-potoma...@googlegroups.com - 3 updates in 2 topics

 

Not sure which way to go with this, but I'm guessing E?

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Not sure which way to go with this, but I'm guessing E?

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On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 7:17 AM <tidal-potomac-fly-rodders@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Adam Harris <adamlharris@gmail.com>: May 27 05:23PM -0700

Wow. The flooding is extreme and intense. Hope everyone is okay.
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Jamie Carracher <jcarracher@gmail.com>: May 27 10:27AM -0700

I was very surprised this morning to spot two Snakehead in Rock Creek north of Porter in Cleveland Park. I thought they were carp because of their outline and the fact that they were surfacing with ...more
John Hammill <john.b.hammill@gmail.com>: May 27 07:21PM -0400

Buy me a drink first Misha.
 
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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Downtown Hexagenia

Ephoron leukon has no legs. IF it's ~2 inches long, it's a hex.

Mark


On Tuesday, June 26, 2018 at 1:46:45 PM UTC-4, Misha Gill wrote:
Hexagenia would make the most sense. Could also be a white fly (Ephoron Leukon) but it would be super early. 

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Tuesday, 26 June 2018

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Downtown Hexagenia

Hexagenia would make the most sense. Could also be a white fly (Ephoron Leukon) but it would be super early. 

Mayfly identification is tough. We only know so much about trout stream hatches because of the intense observation they've been subjected too. I'm sure there are a thousand burrowing mayflies that live in warmwater that we don't have any familiarity with as fly fishermen. 

I saw an adult Dobsonfly in downtown Harrisburg one time. That was really cool. 

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Snakes, Chacos and Brookies - a Sunday Funday down the tubes

Thank you, Bob! It takes a village...





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This weekend my wife and I were walking our dog around Lake Arrowhead outside Luray and came across two boys 12-13 years old.  There was a copperhead on the side of the trail and they were trying to catch it in their fishing net.  I told them they should leave it be and then I said "I just read about a guy who got bit by a copperhead the other day. It's no joke."  They had been messing with it for a while when we came up, the copperhead (and it was a copperhead, not a water snake) was coiled up and pissed.  We told them to leave it be and they left to join their family and we went back the way we came


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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} ISO Someone To Create Beer Tie Flier

Looking for someone with some computer/art skills to create beer tie fliers to send to local fly shops, Whitlows, outdoor stores, etc.

contact me here or directly.


Waiting on a care package for July beer tie. If I receive it on time we'll be having a popper party July 9.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Snakes, Chacos and Brookies - a Sunday Funday down the tubes

This weekend my wife and I were walking our dog around Lake Arrowhead outside Luray and came across two boys 12-13 years old.  There was a copperhead on the side of the trail and they were trying to catch it in their fishing net.  I told them they should leave it be and then I said "I just read about a guy who got bit by a copperhead the other day. It's no joke."  They had been messing with it for a while when we came up, the copperhead (and it was a copperhead, not a water snake) was coiled up and pissed.  We told them to leave it be and they left to join their family and we went back the way we came


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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Downtown Hexagenia


Boy, it sure looks like one but hard to confirm without knowing the size.  The hex can be cartoonishly huge.

BTW, this is why you should always carry a rigged rod with you, even if just going to brunch! 

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Monday, 25 June 2018

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Montaulk NY Fall Fishing


I would also recommend Andrew Derr. Not only is he a good guide, he's also a really cool dude who is easy to hang out with. 

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Andrew Derr: 212-495-9062.  I fish with him pretty much every year.  We got blown out last year, but I'll be back this fall.

On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 7:51:06 AM UTC-4, peter odell wrote:
Anyone have a great guide for the Fall Frenzy of the end of Long Island? (major migration from north to south)

My friend and I did last year,and caught some great false albacore (15 lbs) that were amazing - surface casting after finding them.  Guide was marginal, and we're looking to try again.  We can do mid-week, so easier to schedule.

We'd like to find the trifecta of striper/rockfish, bluefish, and false albacore

any pointers appreciated.

Pete

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sure looks like what we saw in northern NH in June!

On Jun 25, 2018, at 12:56 PM, Connor Donovan <donovac@gmail.com> wrote:

Just yesterday I was telling my wife about a trip I'd like to do and take several days to go fish the hex hatch in Michigan.  From what I understand, it usually coincides with the summer solstice, plus or minus a few days or week.

Lo and behold, this morning as I reached out to open the lobby doors of my building near 15th and M and this was hanging out on the door handle - Hexagenia!  Or at least I think...would love a second opinion.





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Just yesterday I was telling my wife about a trip I'd like to do and take several days to go fish the hex hatch in Michigan.  From what I understand, it usually coincides with the summer solstice, plus or minus a few days or week.

Lo and behold, this morning as I reached out to open the lobby doors of my building near 15th and M and this was hanging out on the door handle - Hexagenia!  Or at least I think...would love a second opinion.





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Sunday, 24 June 2018

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Montaulk NY Fall Fishing

Anyone have a great guide for the Fall Frenzy of the end of Long Island? (major migration from north to south)

My friend and I did last year,and caught some great false albacore (15 lbs) that were amazing - surface casting after finding them.  Guide was marginal, and we're looking to try again.  We can do mid-week, so easier to schedule.

We'd like to find the trifecta of striper/rockfish, bluefish, and false albacore

any pointers appreciated.

Pete

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Saturday, 23 June 2018

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Snakes, Chacos and Brookies - a Sunday Funday down the tubes

I just saw this on Outside's website, about a guy who survived a rattlesnake bite: https://www.outsideonline.com/2315436/surviving-rattlesnake-bite

The guy comes off as kind of insufferable and the whole Moby Dick alternating facts and narrative thing is grating, but there's some useful info. Apparently the snake hit a vein and the venom's effects were nearly instantaneous. 

-Miles

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Friday, 22 June 2018

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Snakes, Chacos and Brookies - a Sunday Funday down the tubes

Thanks Miles. Yes, I'd very much appreciate getting that article. It looks like Wikipedia has caught up to those recommendations, too, and gives just a smattering of rationale, under "Outdated": https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snakebite


On Jun 22, 2018, at 11:59 AM, 'Miles Townes' via Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders <tidal-potomac-fly-rodders@googlegroups.com> wrote:

The same article says for hospital staff: "Victims of bites from venomous snakes require aggressive supportive care and sometimes the administrationof antivenom. Once airway, breathing, and circulation have been established, a rapid, detailed history should be obtained." It then talks about the process for deciding whether to administer antivenom.

Fwiw, it says that copperhead bites are considered less toxic than rattlesnake or cottonmouth bites, and "rarely require treatment". The article is behind a paywall but I got a copy from sci-hub that I can email, if you want to read the whole thing.

I am curious, too, what the plan would be if evacuation is not an option. AWLS says basically: get to a hospital. https://awls.org/wilderness-medicine-case-studies/our-recommendations-for-snakebite-treatment/ NOLS says the same thing: https://blog.nols.edu/2018/02/26/case-study-what-to-do-about-snakebites I couldn't find a reputable site that said anything else. 

Depending on the snake, I suppose you could wait it out. Maybe if it was a copperhead, you would recover on your own enough in a few days to paddle out. I'd take the helicopter ride. And I guess part of the thrill of the wilderness is really having only yourself to rely on.

But I wouldn't worry about it too much. It seems to me there are lots of other more likely injuries you might face, that also would require a helicopter - broken arm, dislocated shoulder, tendon rupture, severe diarrhea. Helicopter evac should be a contingency in your plans, but granted a remote one.

For me the definitive statement on the merit of helicopter rescues is this Boatertalk review, from about 20 years ago: https://boatertalk.com/review/586

Miles




On Friday, June 22, 2018, 10:40:55 AM EDT, Jeff Cook <macuaig@icloud.com> wrote:


Then I'm curious what happens at the hospital? With no anti venom, no tourniquet, no anti swelling, no cuts, no suction, these new guidelines seem to have removed the treatments. (Electroshock is a new one on me.) 

Are they just saying these things need to be done under supervision?

I'm making plans to be kayaking alone often, and I don't think I'll be helicoptering over to the ER. Surely there's room for a wilderness plan for snakebites in this era?

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I was hiking the lower Rap, up Stanton River and Bear Church Rock trail. About 2-3 miles up then the snake struck. 

After monitoring my swelling they determined that my foot and leg would be ok without the anti venom. 

On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 10:32:57 PM UTC-4, Richard Farino wrote:

Where were you hiking?

 

You wrote no anti-venom?  Why?

 


R

 

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That would be nice. Maybe some double snakebite IPA?? Ha. 

On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 3:30:28 PM UTC-4, Richard Farino wrote:

Dude – this sucks and I'm sorry you got hit out there.

 

Does free beer help with snakebites?

 

 

R

 

 

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Subject: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Snakes, Chacos and Brookies - a Sunday Funday down the tubes

 

 

In Virginia, snakes are very common, but snake bites aren't. In the United States about 7,000 poisonous snake bites are reported each year, of those 7,000 bites only six were fatal. In 2018 there have been numerous snake bites reported in Virginia, and only one in Maryland. 

 

Hooray for me. 

 

In the Old Dominion, there are thirty types of snakes. Of the 30 only 3 are poisonous: Timber Rattlesnake, Northern Cottonmouth and the Eastern Copperhead. 

 

Timber Rattlers mostly live in western Virginia, and cover a good part of the George Washington and Thomas Jefferson National Forest, and Shenandoah National Park.

 

Cottonmouths, or Water Moccasins, live mostly in a small section of  southeastern Virginia covering lowland areas like marshes and swamps. 

 

The Eastern Copperhead is the most common poisonous snake in Virginia. They throughout the state and are fairly common. Unlike the other two, copperheads strike fast and don't like to be bothered. 

 

Fun internet research aside, this all brings me to my story. A Sunday funday in Shenandoah National Park with my buddies catching our favorite Virginia state fish, abruptly ruined by a damn poisonous snake and my affinity for wet wading in Chacos. 

 

A cool and wet start to summer, and after weeks of heavy rain throughout Virginia, the rivers of Shenandoah National Park were full and running clear. My buddies and I loaded up from DC and headed to the Mountains for a day of hiking, river lunches, and tricking mountain brook trout. Overcast and a high in the mid 80's, prefect day wet wading and dry fly action in SNP. 

 

We arrived shortly after 9am, parked and headed up the mountain. We hiked the trail for a few miles, and eventually decided to cut to the river. The plan was to fish and hike down river and meet eventually for lunch. Being the fisherman I am, I generally like to fish upstream and move very quickly when I fish small water for brookies. Minimal casts into pools, and if I miss a fish, I usually move on. I quickly bunny hopped by friends and fished up river a few hundred feet. The air and water temp was perfect, and there was lots of bug activity all over the river. I started with a size 16 high vis Parachute Adams, switched to Royal Wolf. By 10am I had easily caught a dozen brookies. Flies didn't seem to matter because the fish were hungry, so I switched to a Copper John nymph and caught a quick 5-6 more fish. It was almost 11am, so I decided I would try to see if I could get to two dozen fish and call it a day, hike out and find my friends and have some lunch. Around 11:30am I caught my last little brookie and it had started to drizzle, so I decided it was time to go find my friends. I pulled off the river and hiked to find the trail. As I hiked away from the river, there was a small green clearing where I stopped for a second. A few weeks prior I was in Vermont for a wedding, and while I was there or during the trip up I encountered a nasty case of Poison Ivy. I had the rash all over my body, and was really hoping to avoid that poison once again. I was surveying the green spot and thought I saw some Ivy, so I side stepped to my left, and as I lifted my foot into the air I felt a quick tingle. My foot hit the ground and I felt the tingle again. Confused and bewildered I looked to my right and saw a coiled Copperhead snake looking pissed. Freaked out I grabbed my fly rod from the ground, which I had thrown in the air while I was getting accosted, and sprinted up to the trail. I then ran as fast as I could down the trail yelling for my friends. I quickly found them a quarter mile or so down river. We gathered our things and headed to the car. Shortly after the bite I could feel the venom go up my leg, and my inner leg and thigh got super tight, and it was difficult to walk. As we hiked out the 2-3 miles my foot, shin and leg started to go numb and got significantly tingly.  My buddies rushed me to the nearest hospital. By the time I arrived to the ER I could barley walk and my leg was almost numb. 

 

At the hospital they did the usual, took my blood, gave me a few shots, monitored my bites and bodily swelling, and administered my heart rate and blood pressure. Based on my foot and leg swelling the doctors determined that I didn't need to take the anti venom, which was a relief. I spent almost 8 hours in the ER before they discharged me. The trek back to DC was brutal, but they pumped me full of a pain med cocktail something out of a Hunter S. Thompson novel.

 

The last few days have been a blur. I've been in and out of doctors offices, out of work for a few days, and the pain is the most intense thing I've ever experienced. I still can't really move my foot, or put any weight on it.  My foot has almost doubled in size with swelling, and I have bruises up and down my left leg. Almost every time I stand up blood rushes to my foot and my whole leg tingles or goes numb. It's the most painful 30 seconds I've ever experienced, and tremendously uncomfortable. The doctors told me I'll be off my foot for at least a week, and the swelling could last a month. Poison control and I have become best buds, and they know nothing about snake bites in the District. So this has been fun. 

 

I've spent my entire life outside. I grew up in Vermont on Lake Champlain, went to college in Montana, lived a year in Wisconsin, and have been in DC for the last 4 years. While fishing, hiking and spending my life outside I've run into grizzly and black bears, encountered Champ on Lake Champlain, chased sweat thirsty goats away from my backpack, saw a wolf the length of a car, and had a gaggle of buffalo sneak up behind me while in fishing in Yellowstone. Even with all dumb events and dangerous animals I've encountered, the most painful experience of my life was stepping too close Copperhead in SNP. 

 

Moral/long story short, snakes are weird, especially Copperheads. Always keep a first aid kit on you when you're fishing or spending time in the wilderness. If you're not alone, employ the buddy system. SNP has a lot of snakes, especially Copperheads. Watch where you step and be careful.  If you get bit by a poisonous snake do not ice it, or apply a tourniquet.  Last but not least, especially when you're in friggen snake country, wear closed toe shoes. 

 

Snake bites suck, and your ego will not only be the thing throbbing in the most pain for the days to follow. 

 

 

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They monitored my leg, thigh and foot for swelling for almost 6 hrs and determined that because the swelling wasn't abnormal that I didn't need the anti venom. Anti venom is pretty rare and expensive and reserved for the most dire circumstances. None exists in DC, and my DC doc hadn't ever seen a snake bite in her practice. 

On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 10:40:53 AM UTC-4, Jeff Cook wrote:
Then I'm curious what happens at the hospital? With no anti venom, no tourniquet, no anti swelling, no cuts, no suction, these new guidelines seem to have removed the treatments. (Electroshock is a new one on me.) 

Are they just saying these things need to be done under supervision?

I'm making plans to be kayaking alone often, and I don't think I'll be helicoptering over to the ER. Surely there's room for a wilderness plan for snakebites in this era?



On Jun 22, 2018, at 9:40 AM, 'Miles' via Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders <tidal-potoma...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

A tourniquet is a bad idea because most of the venomous snakes in North America have hemotoxic venom, and applying a tourniquet concentrates the blood and tissue damage to the area around the bite.

A review study in the New England Journal of Medicine found that best practices for snake bites in North America:

"After a bite from any venomous snake, the victim should be moved beyond striking distance, placed at rest, kept warm, and transported immediately to the nearest medical facility. The injured part of the body should be immobilized in a functional position below the level of the heart. Rings, watches, and constrictive clothing should be removed, and no stimulants should be administered.

"Previously recommended first-aid measures such as tourniquets, incision and suction, cryotherapy, and electric-shock therapy are strongly
discouraged."

Other studies have demonstrated that suction alone - the Sawyer Extractor - is useless. It doesn't remove any venom.

An ounce of prevention is worth several pounds of cure.

-Miles


On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 7:44:54 PM UTC-4, HeaveToo wrote:

I am surprised about you saying not to tourniquet it.  I always thought that you were supposed to do that an elevate it.   

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You buried the lede; what was your Champ encounter?

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The same article says for hospital staff: "Victims of bites from venomous snakes require aggressive supportive care and sometimes the administrationof antivenom. Once airway, breathing, and circulation have been established, a rapid, detailed history should be obtained." It then talks about the process for deciding whether to administer antivenom.

Fwiw, it says that copperhead bites are considered less toxic than rattlesnake or cottonmouth bites, and "rarely require treatment". The article is behind a paywall but I got a copy from sci-hub that I can email, if you want to read the whole thing.

I am curious, too, what the plan would be if evacuation is not an option. AWLS says basically: get to a hospital. https://awls.org/wilderness-medicine-case-studies/our-recommendations-for-snakebite-treatment/ NOLS says the same thing: https://blog.nols.edu/2018/02/26/case-study-what-to-do-about-snakebites I couldn't find a reputable site that said anything else. 

Depending on the snake, I suppose you could wait it out. Maybe if it was a copperhead, you would recover on your own enough in a few days to paddle out. I'd take the helicopter ride. And I guess part of the thrill of the wilderness is really having only yourself to rely on.

But I wouldn't worry about it too much. It seems to me there are lots of other more likely injuries you might face, that also would require a helicopter - broken arm, dislocated shoulder, tendon rupture, severe diarrhea. Helicopter evac should be a contingency in your plans, but granted a remote one.

For me the definitive statement on the merit of helicopter rescues is this Boatertalk review, from about 20 years ago: https://boatertalk.com/review/586

Miles




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Then I'm curious what happens at the hospital? With no anti venom, no tourniquet, no anti swelling, no cuts, no suction, these new guidelines seem to have removed the treatments. (Electroshock is a new one on me.) 

Are they just saying these things need to be done under supervision?

I'm making plans to be kayaking alone often, and I don't think I'll be helicoptering over to the ER. Surely there's room for a wilderness plan for snakebites in this era?
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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} 7/31 Potomac float for smallies

TPFR’ers, I’ve got at least one and possibly two spots open on a guided float trip I’m doing with some buddies at the end of July. Meet at Brunswick, MD boat ramp, get shuttled upstream above Harper’s Ferry, float, fish, lunch, float down through confluence with Shenandoah, fish, fish, fish, arrive back in Brunswick. Drive home.

 

$100 + gratuity (up to you), lunch included

 

Email me offlist if interested!

 

-Sean

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} NC Small Mouth

Has anyone fished for small mouth down near Cherokee, NC lately?

Looking at spending some time over the 4th on the Tuckasegee and the Little TN.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} who wants some free gear?

Frog Toggs is having a sweet giveaway right now:

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Snakes, Chacos and Brookies - a Sunday Funday down the tubes

Then I'm curious what happens at the hospital? With no anti venom, no tourniquet, no anti swelling, no cuts, no suction, these new guidelines seem to have removed the treatments. (Electroshock is a new one on me.) 

Are they just saying these things need to be done under supervision?

I'm making plans to be kayaking alone often, and I don't think I'll be helicoptering over to the ER. Surely there's room for a wilderness plan for snakebites in this era?



On Jun 22, 2018, at 9:40 AM, 'Miles' via Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders <tidal-potomac-fly-rodders@googlegroups.com> wrote:

A tourniquet is a bad idea because most of the venomous snakes in North America have hemotoxic venom, and applying a tourniquet concentrates the blood and tissue damage to the area around the bite.

A review study in the New England Journal of Medicine found that best practices for snake bites in North America:

"After a bite from any venomous snake, the victim should be moved beyond striking distance, placed at rest, kept warm, and transported immediately to the nearest medical facility. The injured part of the body should be immobilized in a functional position below the level of the heart. Rings, watches, and constrictive clothing should be removed, and no stimulants should be administered.

"Previously recommended first-aid measures such as tourniquets, incision and suction, cryotherapy, and electric-shock therapy are strongly
discouraged."

Other studies have demonstrated that suction alone - the Sawyer Extractor - is useless. It doesn't remove any venom.

An ounce of prevention is worth several pounds of cure.

-Miles


On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 7:44:54 PM UTC-4, HeaveToo wrote:

I am surprised about you saying not to tourniquet it.  I always thought that you were supposed to do that an elevate it.   

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