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Monday, 29 February 2016

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Cuba

Thanks Trent. I will admit I got that cuda, I did get this stuck in my head for basically the rest of the trip... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpkitLUbeEg&t=1m28s

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 6:05 PM, Trent Jones <tjones518@hotmail.com> wrote:

Great report Jeff and great pics! That Cuda is a beast!

-Trent

On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 7:04:22 PM UTC-5, Jeff Silvan wrote:
I just got back from a six days of fly fishing the flats in Cuba (legally). This was the first time I've ever gone for bonefish and permit and it did not disappoint. We had some tough weather with a couple cold fronts coming through, colder than average weather, and only two or three days of good light, but even still it was amazing. This fishing was all new to me, but for the others on the trip that were used to this kind of fishing, they were just blown away and told me I've been spoiled to start my tropical flats career here.

We fished the Cayo Cruz area, which can be exclusively fished by the Avalon operation and has only been fished for three years now. They won't run more than 12 people at a time, so it gets very low pressure. The guides are definitely still learning the area, but are probably the best guides I've ever fished with, both from a boat handling standpoint and from how good they are at spotting fish. Their English is generally good enough, but they're definitely still learning the whole give a direction then distance and sometimes forget to drop one of those pieces of info.

As far as the area goes, the expansiveness of the flats were mind boggling. Again, I don't have much to compare to, but the others said the flats were absolutely enormous. A comparison I was given is that any individual fishing area was typically bigger than all of Ascension Bay. There was one lagoon we waded for 6 hours and only covered half of it. Another thing I'm told is very rare is that we saw permit on nearly every flat, even ones where you're specifically targeting bonefish. Because of that, we typically threw our permit rods the entire time. The other thing I'm told was very unique was that the bonefish were big, but not only that, they were fat. The average fish was 4-5 lbs and we collectively landed quite a few over 10 lbs for the week. Apparently these bonefish are also very dumb. You can miss your casts and throw five feet behind the fish and they'll run back and eat. You can even sting the fish on a hook set, have the fly fall out, and have him come back and pick it up again.

I'm proud to say I caught the first bonefish I ever saw, which made me happy. I even got an eat from the first permit I saw (at least while I was on the bow), although I missed the hook set. I also missed the hookset on two tarpon, and had a third shake the hook after about 10 seconds - so probably also not a great hookset since he ran right at me. Over the course of the week, I got around 30 bonefish to the hand even though we spent a long time looking for permit, rather than focusing on bones. This part of Cuba is rumored to be the best grand slam destination in the world, and although no one in the group got one this week, we had a ton of shots. I probably had 15 shots at permit on my own, but I only got two to eat (which was two more than anyone else got) and missed both, despite having great casts on all but one or two.

The thing I found most surprising, however, was my favorite fish of the trip. I caught two barracuda and lost a third. HOLY CRAP those things can run like I've never seen before. They run faster, pull harder, and are more acrobatic than anything I've ever seen besides a sailfish - and even that was close. I did also hook a shark about 10 feet away from me (while wading... made me a little nervous), and he ran like crazy too, but he broke off the whole steel part of the leader pretty quick. There were also the other random stuff on the flats like cowfish and triggers that were fun to throw at, but not much of a fight.

Here are a few pictures. I have quite a lot more, and still have to get some pictures from other people, but this at least gives you a good idea of some of the trip.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Cuba

Ernie, as far as I could tell, no Cubans fished there - at least for bonefish. You would see some fishing with spinning gear off the causeways for dinner, but none on the flats. Plus, based on what I saw, I highly doubt there are many, if any, Cubans that could afford to hire a guide for a day of fishing. And that's especially if they're fishing for fish that they can't keep.

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Did you notice if any Cubans were allowed to fish that area with those guides or was it just tourists from other countries?

Ernie

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Cuba

Awesome report. Thanks.

On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 7:04:22 PM UTC-5, Jeff Silvan wrote:

I just got back from a six days of fly fishing the flats in Cuba (legally). This was the first time I've ever gone for bonefish and permit and it did not disappoint. We had some tough weather with a couple cold fronts coming through, colder than average weather, and only two or three days of good light, but even still it was amazing. This fishing was all new to me, but for the others on the trip that were used to this kind of fishing, they were just blown away and told me I've been spoiled to start my tropical flats career here.

We fished the Cayo Cruz area, which can be exclusively fished by the Avalon operation and has only been fished for three years now. They won't run more than 12 people at a time, so it gets very low pressure. The guides are definitely still learning the area, but are probably the best guides I've ever fished with, both from a boat handling standpoint and from how good they are at spotting fish. Their English is generally good enough, but they're definitely still learning the whole give a direction then distance and sometimes forget to drop one of those pieces of info.

As far as the area goes, the expansiveness of the flats were mind boggling. Again, I don't have much to compare to, but the others said the flats were absolutely enormous. A comparison I was given is that any individual fishing area was typically bigger than all of Ascension Bay. There was one lagoon we waded for 6 hours and only covered half of it. Another thing I'm told is very rare is that we saw permit on nearly every flat, even ones where you're specifically targeting bonefish. Because of that, we typically threw our permit rods the entire time. The other thing I'm told was very unique was that the bonefish were big, but not only that, they were fat. The average fish was 4-5 lbs and we collectively landed quite a few over 10 lbs for the week. Apparently these bonefish are also very dumb. You can miss your casts and throw five feet behind the fish and they'll run back and eat. You can even sting the fish on a hook set, have the fly fall out, and have him come back and pick it up again.

I'm proud to say I caught the first bonefish I ever saw, which made me happy. I even got an eat from the first permit I saw (at least while I was on the bow), although I missed the hook set. I also missed the hookset on two tarpon, and had a third shake the hook after about 10 seconds - so probably also not a great hookset since he ran right at me. Over the course of the week, I got around 30 bonefish to the hand even though we spent a long time looking for permit, rather than focusing on bones. This part of Cuba is rumored to be the best grand slam destination in the world, and although no one in the group got one this week, we had a ton of shots. I probably had 15 shots at permit on my own, but I only got two to eat (which was two more than anyone else got) and missed both, despite having great casts on all but one or two.

The thing I found most surprising, however, was my favorite fish of the trip. I caught two barracuda and lost a third. HOLY CRAP those things can run like I've never seen before. They run faster, pull harder, and are more acrobatic than anything I've ever seen besides a sailfish - and even that was close. I did also hook a shark about 10 feet away from me (while wading... made me a little nervous), and he ran like crazy too, but he broke off the whole steel part of the leader pretty quick. There were also the other random stuff on the flats like cowfish and triggers that were fun to throw at, but not much of a fight.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Cuba

Did you notice if any Cubans were allowed to fish that area with those guides or was it just tourists from other countries?

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Nova Trout Unlimited Meeting with Matt Miles March 3rd.

Just a quick plug that friend and guide Captain Matt Miles will be speaking at the NOVA TU meeting this Thursday, March 3rd at the Vienna Firehouse. Matt Guides for Muskie, Smallmouth, Trout, and Stripers and is a super knowledgeable angler and guide. If you can make it out, it will be worth your time.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Cuba

Great report Jeff and great pics! That Cuda is a beast!

-Trent

On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 7:04:22 PM UTC-5, Jeff Silvan wrote:

I just got back from a six days of fly fishing the flats in Cuba (legally). This was the first time I've ever gone for bonefish and permit and it did not disappoint. We had some tough weather with a couple cold fronts coming through, colder than average weather, and only two or three days of good light, but even still it was amazing. This fishing was all new to me, but for the others on the trip that were used to this kind of fishing, they were just blown away and told me I've been spoiled to start my tropical flats career here.

We fished the Cayo Cruz area, which can be exclusively fished by the Avalon operation and has only been fished for three years now. They won't run more than 12 people at a time, so it gets very low pressure. The guides are definitely still learning the area, but are probably the best guides I've ever fished with, both from a boat handling standpoint and from how good they are at spotting fish. Their English is generally good enough, but they're definitely still learning the whole give a direction then distance and sometimes forget to drop one of those pieces of info.

As far as the area goes, the expansiveness of the flats were mind boggling. Again, I don't have much to compare to, but the others said the flats were absolutely enormous. A comparison I was given is that any individual fishing area was typically bigger than all of Ascension Bay. There was one lagoon we waded for 6 hours and only covered half of it. Another thing I'm told is very rare is that we saw permit on nearly every flat, even ones where you're specifically targeting bonefish. Because of that, we typically threw our permit rods the entire time. The other thing I'm told was very unique was that the bonefish were big, but not only that, they were fat. The average fish was 4-5 lbs and we collectively landed quite a few over 10 lbs for the week. Apparently these bonefish are also very dumb. You can miss your casts and throw five feet behind the fish and they'll run back and eat. You can even sting the fish on a hook set, have the fly fall out, and have him come back and pick it up again.

I'm proud to say I caught the first bonefish I ever saw, which made me happy. I even got an eat from the first permit I saw (at least while I was on the bow), although I missed the hook set. I also missed the hookset on two tarpon, and had a third shake the hook after about 10 seconds - so probably also not a great hookset since he ran right at me. Over the course of the week, I got around 30 bonefish to the hand even though we spent a long time looking for permit, rather than focusing on bones. This part of Cuba is rumored to be the best grand slam destination in the world, and although no one in the group got one this week, we had a ton of shots. I probably had 15 shots at permit on my own, but I only got two to eat (which was two more than anyone else got) and missed both, despite having great casts on all but one or two.

The thing I found most surprising, however, was my favorite fish of the trip. I caught two barracuda and lost a third. HOLY CRAP those things can run like I've never seen before. They run faster, pull harder, and are more acrobatic than anything I've ever seen besides a sailfish - and even that was close. I did also hook a shark about 10 feet away from me (while wading... made me a little nervous), and he ran like crazy too, but he broke off the whole steel part of the leader pretty quick. There were also the other random stuff on the flats like cowfish and triggers that were fun to throw at, but not much of a fight.

Here are a few pictures. I have quite a lot more, and still have to get some pictures from other people, but this at least gives you a good idea of some of the trip.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Colombia Peacock Fishing Report

Ernie,

I am sure I will be after Peacocks in FL again. Although, Dalton and I seem to have been using Mark more for Snook fishing than Peacocks the last couple years.

It is worth noting that for anyone who does not want to get a Passport stamped to catch Peacocks, Captain Mark Hall out of Miami can get you on these critters as well as a lot of other fish in the Miami area.

-Trent

On Friday, February 26, 2016 at 10:49:59 PM UTC-5, Ernie wrote:

I have no words......will you ever go back to Miami for Butterfly Peacocks?

Ernie

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Tenkara Shad?

Just got my new Fly Fisherman in the mail. Top left cover has Tenkara for Tarpon.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 29, 2016, at 2:57 PM, Carl Z. <carl.zmola0@gmail.com> wrote:

A bigger mainstream rod would probably do well. I can see a 7m rod from shore. I also would go with a heavy leader near the fish and a short section of strain relief tippet, then back to your tenkara line. The strain relief tippet will prevent damage to the rod, but you can grab the heavier leader near the fish to hand line them in.

I think it would be fun to watch someone do this, but I'm not sure I want to try it myself.

Carl

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On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Ashley Frohwein <ashleyfrohwein@gmail.com> wrote:
For your next challenge, I suggest C&O Canal Tenkara carpin'. Bring your running shoes if you go after the bigger guys.

On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 10:02:29 AM UTC-5, Brian Cohen wrote:
Thanks for the suggestion - I was thinking the same thing. Rock Creek came to mind as a possible spot that might fit the bill.

Brian

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Matthew Longley <matthew...@gmail.com> wrote:
I'd focus more on some of the smaller tribs in the area where Shad run and you can find shallower water that bottleneck shad into an area you are more likely to be able to find them and reach their depth. Sounds like a worthy venture though, why not!?

On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 9:13:54 AM UTC-5, Bob Smith wrote:
"From a 2015 National Capital Chapter Trout Unlimited shad report:

"However, nothing topped the sheer giddiness of Joe Witte as he attempted to land shad on a Tenkara rod. On Friday he anchored next to me and promptly hooked what may well have been the first American shad ever fought on a Tenkara anywhere. You'd think Joe would start with hickories but he really didn't know the difference and had only just learned of the shad run. That first fish made short work of the reel-less rod and escaped with a splash, seen in the photo above. Soon Joe was on to another, this time a small buck, and the fish circled his boat, never tiring. Bob Smith had to net the pesky shad one boat over and take him off the leash."

Having fished with tenkara and for shad, if you decide to do this, I'd recommend fabricating some kind of lanyard for the tenkara rod."

It was fun watching, Joe had fun playing the fish but when it came time to land the shad it was a royal pain. I'd suggest a light but long handled landing net. Something along the lines of what the Brits use for their course bank fishing. Otherwise you'll never be able to land them by yourself.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Tenkara Shad?

A bigger mainstream rod would probably do well. I can see a 7m rod from shore. I also would go with a heavy leader near the fish and a short section of strain relief tippet, then back to your tenkara line. The strain relief tippet will prevent damage to the rod, but you can grab the heavier leader near the fish to hand line them in.

I think it would be fun to watch someone do this, but I'm not sure I want to try it myself.

Carl

Carl Zmola

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Ashley Frohwein <ashleyfrohwein@gmail.com> wrote:

For your next challenge, I suggest C&O Canal Tenkara carpin'. Bring your running shoes if you go after the bigger guys.

On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 10:02:29 AM UTC-5, Brian Cohen wrote:
Thanks for the suggestion - I was thinking the same thing. Rock Creek came to mind as a possible spot that might fit the bill.

Brian

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Matthew Longley <matthew...@gmail.com> wrote:
I'd focus more on some of the smaller tribs in the area where Shad run and you can find shallower water that bottleneck shad into an area you are more likely to be able to find them and reach their depth. Sounds like a worthy venture though, why not!?

On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 9:13:54 AM UTC-5, Bob Smith wrote:
"From a 2015 National Capital Chapter Trout Unlimited shad report:

"However, nothing topped the sheer giddiness of Joe Witte as he attempted to land shad on a Tenkara rod. On Friday he anchored next to me and promptly hooked what may well have been the first American shad ever fought on a Tenkara anywhere. You'd think Joe would start with hickories but he really didn't know the difference and had only just learned of the shad run. That first fish made short work of the reel-less rod and escaped with a splash, seen in the photo above. Soon Joe was on to another, this time a small buck, and the fish circled his boat, never tiring. Bob Smith had to net the pesky shad one boat over and take him off the leash."

Having fished with tenkara and for shad, if you decide to do this, I'd recommend fabricating some kind of lanyard for the tenkara rod."

It was fun watching, Joe had fun playing the fish but when it came time to land the shad it was a royal pain. I'd suggest a light but long handled landing net. Something along the lines of what the Brits use for their course bank fishing. Otherwise you'll never be able to land them by yourself.

Bob Smith

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Lancaster Fly Fishing Show

If anyone is planning on going and spending the night I've got an AirBnb about four miles from the venue. As of now I have three openings for Friday night and two for Saturday this weekend. TPFR Dan will be with me Saturday night. Someone just had to bail both nights. If we get four people it's $49 per person per night. Let me know if you are interested.

Ps, the owner of the lodging already stocked the fridge with beer.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Potential spey outfit - comments?

Skagit heads are generally more suited for throwing heavier sink tips. If you were fishing the Potomac around fletchers that is the way I would go. For smallmouth further up I would go with the scandi.

That said, are you interested in it just because you want to do it, or because it is the best tool for the job? I honestly wouldn't use a spey rod for smallmouth and definitely not a 13 foot 7 weight. If they was my focus and I REALLY wanted to catch them "spey fishing" I would get something like an 11' 6 weight switch rod.

I'm not sure why you would need a second reel. Just buy two different lines and switch them out depending on what you want to do.

On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 1:50:25 PM UTC-5, Jim White wrote:

Super helpful responses, thank you!

At casting church yesterday I had the opportunity to take my first two-handed casting lessons from Terry (thank you for the use of your outfit!) and John (gosh but it looks so easy...). Learned a lot. As might be expected a detailed gear discussion followed. Great recommendations from all, thank you.

Contacted The Red Shed (thank you John Bilotta!) and they are selling a $500 outfit (Echo TR7130/Echo Ion reel/backing/Airflo Ridge running line and a choice of either an Airflo scandi head or an Airflo Compact Skagit head with a few sink tips).

My question - Do I go with the Scandi or the Skagit option? My intended use, at least to begin with, is to wade the Potomac (upstream of Great Falls) and cast for smallmouth. Based on what I've gleaned re: uses of the two different head systems, it seems like that use is better suited for scandi. Am I correct?

For $195 additional Poppy will add another Ion reel with the other line option. The obvious answer is "buy both," however, if I had to choose, given my intended use which head system do you recommend?

Thanks,
Jim

On Saturday, February 27, 2016 at 3:58:11 PM UTC-5, Ken wrote:
That was my first two hander. Works well with a 540 and throws a 510/525 nicely. 570 is a bit too much. It is really an 8 weight but Echo classes it as a 7 weight. It is a good solid first two hander.

Ken...

On Feb 26, 2016, at 2:29 PM, Jim White <jrwh...@gmail.com> wrote:

Good afternoon,

Looking at a few spey outfits, one of which is described below.

Rod - Echo TR7130 (13' 7wt)

Reel - Waterworks-Lamson Guru 4

Rod (w/tube), reel, backing, Airflo Ridge running line, Airflo Compact Skagit head, two Airflo sink tips, and a RIO leader. $650.

Reviews for the rod seem solid, reviews for the reel seem all over the place.

Anyone have experience with either/both?

Thanks,
Jim

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Potential spey outfit - comments?

Super helpful responses, thank you!

At casting church yesterday I had the opportunity to take my first two-handed casting lessons from Terry (thank you for the use of your outfit!) and John (gosh but it looks so easy...). Learned a lot. As might be expected a detailed gear discussion followed. Great recommendations from all, thank you.

Contacted The Red Shed (thank you John Bilotta!) and they are selling a $500 outfit (Echo TR7130/Echo Ion reel/backing/Airflo Ridge running line and a choice of either an Airflo scandi head or an Airflo Compact Skagit head with a few sink tips).

My question - Do I go with the Scandi or the Skagit option? My intended use, at least to begin with, is to wade the Potomac (upstream of Great Falls) and cast for smallmouth. Based on what I've gleaned re: uses of the two different head systems, it seems like that use is better suited for scandi. Am I correct?

For $195 additional Poppy will add another Ion reel with the other line option. The obvious answer is "buy both," however, if I had to choose, given my intended use which head system do you recommend?

Thanks,

Jim

On Saturday, February 27, 2016 at 3:58:11 PM UTC-5, Ken wrote:

That was my first two hander. Works well with a 540 and throws a 510/525 nicely. 570 is a bit too much. It is really an 8 weight but Echo classes it as a 7 weight. It is a good solid first two hander.

Ken...

On Feb 26, 2016, at 2:29 PM, Jim White <jrwh...@gmail.com> wrote:

Good afternoon,

Looking at a few spey outfits, one of which is described below.

Rod - Echo TR7130 (13' 7wt)

Reel - Waterworks-Lamson Guru 4

Rod (w/tube), reel, backing, Airflo Ridge running line, Airflo Compact Skagit head, two Airflo sink tips, and a RIO leader. $650.

Reviews for the rod seem solid, reviews for the reel seem all over the place.

Anyone have experience with either/both?

Thanks,
Jim

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Cuba

Well done! Sounds like an amazing trip

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Tenkara Shad?

For your next challenge, I suggest C&O Canal Tenkara carpin'. Bring your running shoes if you go after the bigger guys.

On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 10:02:29 AM UTC-5, Brian Cohen wrote:

Thanks for the suggestion - I was thinking the same thing. Rock Creek came to mind as a possible spot that might fit the bill.

Brian

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Matthew Longley <matthew...@gmail.com> wrote:
I'd focus more on some of the smaller tribs in the area where Shad run and you can find shallower water that bottleneck shad into an area you are more likely to be able to find them and reach their depth. Sounds like a worthy venture though, why not!?

On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 9:13:54 AM UTC-5, Bob Smith wrote:
"From a 2015 National Capital Chapter Trout Unlimited shad report:

"However, nothing topped the sheer giddiness of Joe Witte as he attempted to land shad on a Tenkara rod. On Friday he anchored next to me and promptly hooked what may well have been the first American shad ever fought on a Tenkara anywhere. You'd think Joe would start with hickories but he really didn't know the difference and had only just learned of the shad run. That first fish made short work of the reel-less rod and escaped with a splash, seen in the photo above. Soon Joe was on to another, this time a small buck, and the fish circled his boat, never tiring. Bob Smith had to net the pesky shad one boat over and take him off the leash."

Having fished with tenkara and for shad, if you decide to do this, I'd recommend fabricating some kind of lanyard for the tenkara rod."

It was fun watching, Joe had fun playing the fish but when it came time to land the shad it was a royal pain. I'd suggest a light but long handled landing net. Something along the lines of what the Brits use for their course bank fishing. Otherwise you'll never be able to land them by yourself.

Bob Smith

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Cuba

Your cuda looks like he just missed the game-winning free-throw.

Sounds like an awesome trip! I sense you have discovered a subset lifelong addiction to the general lifelong addiction haha.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Cuba

Excellent report, very nice pix, Jeff. Good to see you're not wearing that hat with the B on it; much better that you're showing the flag on behalf of TPFR in Cuba.

So, they don't have any carp down there? ;-)

Mark

On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 7:04:22 PM UTC-5, Jeff Silvan wrote:

I just got back from a six days of fly fishing the flats in Cuba (legally).

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Tenkara Shad?

Thanks for the suggestion - I was thinking the same thing. Rock Creek came to mind as a possible spot that might fit the bill.

Brian

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Matthew Longley <matthew.longley@gmail.com> wrote:

I'd focus more on some of the smaller tribs in the area where Shad run and you can find shallower water that bottleneck shad into an area you are more likely to be able to find them and reach their depth. Sounds like a worthy venture though, why not!?

On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 9:13:54 AM UTC-5, Bob Smith wrote:
"From a 2015 National Capital Chapter Trout Unlimited shad report:

"However, nothing topped the sheer giddiness of Joe Witte as he attempted to land shad on a Tenkara rod. On Friday he anchored next to me and promptly hooked what may well have been the first American shad ever fought on a Tenkara anywhere. You'd think Joe would start with hickories but he really didn't know the difference and had only just learned of the shad run. That first fish made short work of the reel-less rod and escaped with a splash, seen in the photo above. Soon Joe was on to another, this time a small buck, and the fish circled his boat, never tiring. Bob Smith had to net the pesky shad one boat over and take him off the leash."

Having fished with tenkara and for shad, if you decide to do this, I'd recommend fabricating some kind of lanyard for the tenkara rod."

It was fun watching, Joe had fun playing the fish but when it came time to land the shad it was a royal pain. I'd suggest a light but long handled landing net. Something along the lines of what the Brits use for their course bank fishing. Otherwise you'll never be able to land them by yourself.

Bob Smith

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Tenkara Shad?

I'd focus more on some of the smaller tribs in the area where Shad run and you can find shallower water that bottleneck shad into an area you are more likely to be able to find them and reach their depth. Sounds like a worthy venture though, why not!?

On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 9:13:54 AM UTC-5, Bob Smith wrote:

"From a 2015 National Capital Chapter Trout Unlimited shad report:

"However, nothing topped the sheer giddiness of Joe Witte as he attempted to land shad on a Tenkara rod. On Friday he anchored next to me and promptly hooked what may well have been the first American shad ever fought on a Tenkara anywhere. You'd think Joe would start with hickories but he really didn't know the difference and had only just learned of the shad run. That first fish made short work of the reel-less rod and escaped with a splash, seen in the photo above. Soon Joe was on to another, this time a small buck, and the fish circled his boat, never tiring. Bob Smith had to net the pesky shad one boat over and take him off the leash."

Having fished with tenkara and for shad, if you decide to do this, I'd recommend fabricating some kind of lanyard for the tenkara rod."

It was fun watching, Joe had fun playing the fish but when it came time to land the shad it was a royal pain. I'd suggest a light but long handled landing net. Something along the lines of what the Brits use for their course bank fishing. Otherwise you'll never be able to land them by yourself.

Bob Smith

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Tenkara Shad?

"From a 2015 National Capital Chapter Trout Unlimited shad report:

"However, nothing topped the sheer giddiness of Joe Witte as he attempted to land shad on a Tenkara rod. On Friday he anchored next to me and promptly hooked what may well have been the first American shad ever fought on a Tenkara anywhere. You'd think Joe would start with hickories but he really didn't know the difference and had only just learned of the shad run. That first fish made short work of the reel-less rod and escaped with a splash, seen in the photo above. Soon Joe was on to another, this time a small buck, and the fish circled his boat, never tiring. Bob Smith had to net the pesky shad one boat over and take him off the leash."

Having fished with tenkara and for shad, if you decide to do this, I'd recommend fabricating some kind of lanyard for the tenkara rod."

It was fun watching, Joe had fun playing the fish but when it came time to land the shad it was a royal pain. I'd suggest a light but long handled landing net. Something along the lines of what the Brits use for their course bank fishing. Otherwise you'll never be able to land them by yourself.

Bob Smith

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Tenkara Shad?

From a 2015 National Capital Chapter Trout Unlimited shad report:

"However, nothing topped the sheer giddiness of Joe Witte as he attempted to land shad on a Tenkara rod. On Friday he anchored next to me and promptly hooked what may well have been the first American shad ever fought on a Tenkara anywhere. You'd think Joe would start with hickories but he really didn't know the difference and had only just learned of the shad run. That first fish made short work of the reel-less rod and escaped with a splash, seen in the photo above. Soon Joe was on to another, this time a small buck, and the fish circled his boat, never tiring. Bob Smith had to net the pesky shad one boat over and take him off the leash."

Having fished with tenkara and for shad, if you decide to do this, I'd recommend fabricating some kind of lanyard for the tenkara rod.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Tenkara Shad?

I've used my Iwana for shad with no luck. Only managed river herring and white perch. Both of which have been increasing in numbers at Four Mile Run.

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On Feb 28, 2016, at 9:45 PM, Brian Cohen <brian.a.cohen@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello TPFR - I hope you all will indulge a new poster...

I received a Tenkara rod this winter, and have been having a good time messing around with it when weather allows (caught my first trout at Accotink on Saturday!). I'm looking forward to better weather and more fishing in the spring, and of course I'm wondering if anyone has fished for shad in the Potomac with Tenkara gear - and if so, what kind of setup did you use? My preliminary google search did not turn up much - but I'm hoping someone on this board has some knowledge to share.

Thanks in advance for your help -

Brian

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Tenkara Shad?

Hello TPFR - I hope you all will indulge a new poster...

I received a Tenkara rod this winter, and have been having a good time messing around with it when weather allows (caught my first trout at Accotink on Saturday!). I'm looking forward to better weather and more fishing in the spring, and of course I'm wondering if anyone has fished for shad in the Potomac with Tenkara gear - and if so, what kind of setup did you use? My preliminary google search did not turn up much - but I'm hoping someone on this board has some knowledge to share.

Thanks in advance for your help -

Brian

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} church

Thanks for starting this tradition, we hope to keep this going in your absence. I'm sure you'll find a new congregation up north!

Dalton

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: A Call to Action: Support Friends of Fletcher's Cove by Donating Shad Flies

All those flies look superb !

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: A Call to Action: Support Friends of Fletcher's Cove by Donating Shad Flies

The next Beer Tie is coming up in about two weeks, on March 14, and we will be collecting flies for Friends of Fletcher's Cove. After the casting session today I plopped down and tied a bunch of Grizz's shad darts, and Davis passed along 25 of Snowhite's Shad Jigs. Check these out for some ideas.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Cuba

I just got back from a six days of fly fishing the flats in Cuba (legally). This was the first time I've ever gone for bonefish and permit and it did not disappoint. We had some tough weather with a couple cold fronts coming through, colder than average weather, and only two or three days of good light, but even still it was amazing. This fishing was all new to me, but for the others on the trip that were used to this kind of fishing, they were just blown away and told me I've been spoiled to start my tropical flats career here.

We fished the Cayo Cruz area, which can be exclusively fished by the Avalon operation and has only been fished for three years now. They won't run more than 12 people at a time, so it gets very low pressure. The guides are definitely still learning the area, but are probably the best guides I've ever fished with, both from a boat handling standpoint and from how good they are at spotting fish. Their English is generally good enough, but they're definitely still learning the whole give a direction then distance and sometimes forget to drop one of those pieces of info.

As far as the area goes, the expansiveness of the flats were mind boggling. Again, I don't have much to compare to, but the others said the flats were absolutely enormous. A comparison I was given is that any individual fishing area was typically bigger than all of Ascension Bay. There was one lagoon we waded for 6 hours and only covered half of it. Another thing I'm told is very rare is that we saw permit on nearly every flat, even ones where you're specifically targeting bonefish. Because of that, we typically threw our permit rods the entire time. The other thing I'm told was very unique was that the bonefish were big, but not only that, they were fat. The average fish was 4-5 lbs and we collectively landed quite a few over 10 lbs for the week. Apparently these bonefish are also very dumb. You can miss your casts and throw five feet behind the fish and they'll run back and eat. You can even sting the fish on a hook set, have the fly fall out, and have him come back and pick it up again.

I'm proud to say I caught the first bonefish I ever saw, which made me happy. I even got an eat from the first permit I saw (at least while I was on the bow), although I missed the hook set. I also missed the hookset on two tarpon, and had a third shake the hook after about 10 seconds - so probably also not a great hookset since he ran right at me. Over the course of the week, I got around 30 bonefish to the hand even though we spent a long time looking for permit, rather than focusing on bones. This part of Cuba is rumored to be the best grand slam destination in the world, and although no one in the group got one this week, we had a ton of shots. I probably had 15 shots at permit on my own, but I only got two to eat (which was two more than anyone else got) and missed both, despite having great casts on all but one or two.

The thing I found most surprising, however, was my favorite fish of the trip. I caught two barracuda and lost a third. HOLY CRAP those things can run like I've never seen before. They run faster, pull harder, and are more acrobatic than anything I've ever seen besides a sailfish - and even that was close. I did also hook a shark about 10 feet away from me (while wading... made me a little nervous), and he ran like crazy too, but he broke off the whole steel part of the leader pretty quick. There were also the other random stuff on the flats like cowfish and triggers that were fun to throw at, but not much of a fight.

Here are a few pictures. I have quite a lot more, and still have to get some pictures from other people, but this at least gives you a good idea of some of the trip.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Antietam Anglers Casting Events

I mentioned the the Antietam Anglers' Rendezvous (April 2nd) to a few people at Fletcher's today. I just thought I would pass on the link.

http://antietamflyanglers.org/castclub.htm

Carl

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} church

Thanks everyone for coming out to this morning's casting session. I appreciated it and look forward to fishing with you all in the future.

See you on the water,

John

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Saturday, 27 February 2016

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Potential spey outfit - comments?

That was my first two hander. Works well with a 540 and throws a 510/525 nicely. 570 is a bit too much. It is really an 8 weight but Echo classes it as a 7 weight. It is a good solid first two hander.

Ken...

On Feb 26, 2016, at 2:29 PM, Jim White <jrwhite55@gmail.com> wrote:

Good afternoon,

Looking at a few spey outfits, one of which is described below.

Rod - Echo TR7130 (13' 7wt)

Reel - Waterworks-Lamson Guru 4

Rod (w/tube), reel, backing, Airflo Ridge running line, Airflo Compact Skagit head, two Airflo sink tips, and a RIO leader. $650.

Reviews for the rod seem solid, reviews for the reel seem all over the place.

Anyone have experience with either/both?

Thanks,
Jim

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