Saturday, 31 October 2015

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Sunday club casting 8:30-10

I'm in. Need some help with my single hand casting.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Noob Question: Line Choice

Thanks Carl. I'll check'em out.

Best,

Dave

On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 9:22:24 PM UTC-4, Carl wrote:

Dave,

I wouldn't buy used lines from ebay. I purchased these from someone I knew through a forum, but someone I have met and know how they take care of their equipment. If you go to fly shows, some of the vendors will have used lines. They usually get them when they buy reels and if they are any good, they strip them off. Then you can look at them and make sure they are not cracked and do not have a memory of being on the reel.

I usually buy these for casting practice or to round out the line weights I don't have and they go for $10-15. If they only last a half a season, I'm still ahead.

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 8:21 AM, namfos <mark....@gmail.com> wrote:
Or if you're cheap like me, keep your WF line on one inexpensive reel and your DT on another inexpensive reel. That way you don't have to fumble around with spare spools and it's less labor than unspooling.

Mark

On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 9:42:14 PM UTC-4, Carl wrote:
Some rules I work with are:

Spare spools of different reels are nice, but you can pull the line off and store it in a loose coil in a ziplock bag as well. It isn't quick change but it doesn't take that much time to respool a line.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Fly Tying Clinic on Saturday - Trick Or Treat: Halloween Inspired Flies

Thanks guys. Ivan is a natural teacher if there ever was one. Al is great too.

Gene

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Sunday club casting 8:30-10

John, also planning there with my Spey rod.

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On Oct 31, 2015, at 12:24 PM, John Bilotta <jbilotta@obassociates.net> wrote:

Sounds good.
See you there.
John

On Oct 31, 2015, at 12:19 PM, Bob Bishop wrote:

John,
I'm planning on coming in the morning if the Royals don't keep me up too late. I was there with Tom Guffain several weeks ago.

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On Oct 30, 2015, at 4:43 PM, John Bilotta <jbilotta@obassociates.net> wrote:

I will be down at Fletcher's Boat House off Canal Rd on Sunday morning with several other instructors if anyone would like to work on their single or two handed casting.

Look for the green suburban at the end of the lower lot from about 8:30-10. New single hand casters will work on loops and shooting line, intermediates will focus on improving distance. Two handed casters will do single spey or snap T casts and angle changes. The water was cool and muddy today, but should clear by Sunday.

Let me know if you might stop by and what you would like to work on.

See you there,

John

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Sunday club casting 8:30-10

Sounds good.

See you there.

John

On Oct 31, 2015, at 12:19 PM, Bob Bishop wrote:

John,
I'm planning on coming in the morning if the Royals don't keep me up too late. I was there with Tom Guffain several weeks ago.

Sent from my iPad.

On Oct 30, 2015, at 4:43 PM, John Bilotta <jbilotta@obassociates.net> wrote:

I will be down at Fletcher's Boat House off Canal Rd on Sunday morning with several other instructors if anyone would like to work on their single or two handed casting.

Look for the green suburban at the end of the lower lot from about 8:30-10. New single hand casters will work on loops and shooting line, intermediates will focus on improving distance. Two handed casters will do single spey or snap T casts and angle changes. The water was cool and muddy today, but should clear by Sunday.

Let me know if you might stop by and what you would like to work on.

See you there,

John

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Sunday club casting 8:30-10

Great. I will see you there.

We have a good group of instructors coming - Dalton, Trent, Art, Andy, Michael and a few others.

John

On Oct 31, 2015, at 8:17 AM, James Ovelmen wrote:

> I am planning on coming and working on two handed Spey
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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Sunday club casting 8:30-10

John,

I'm planning on coming in the morning if the Royals don't keep me up too late. I was there with Tom Guffain several weeks ago.

Sent from my iPad.

On Oct 30, 2015, at 4:43 PM, John Bilotta <jbilotta@obassociates.net> wrote:

I will be down at Fletcher's Boat House off Canal Rd on Sunday morning with several other instructors if anyone would like to work on their single or two handed casting.

Look for the green suburban at the end of the lower lot from about 8:30-10. New single hand casters will work on loops and shooting line, intermediates will focus on improving distance. Two handed casters will do single spey or snap T casts and angle changes. The water was cool and muddy today, but should clear by Sunday.

Let me know if you might stop by and what you would like to work on.

See you there,

John

jbilotta@georgetownflyfishing.com

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Prompted by the Noob Question about lines

But casting is more fun.

I have a $10 ebay micro-scale that has a 'grains' option built in. It's a fairly easy process. coil up the first 30ft and put a twist tie on it. weigh it and subtract out the weight of the twist tie (2-3grains). I usually tare my scale with the twist tie.

You have to be careful with how the rest of the line lies off to the edge, but it is close enough. It isn't a precise science. Originally it was measure the first 31 feet and subtract out the first foot since that was often level and designed to be cut back after you tie a nail knot on. The actual ratings are a range and depending on the taper of the line.

Umpqua makes a hanging line scale that makes sense if you have a bunch of them. I think it goes for a bit over $20.

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 9:50 AM, namfos <mark.sofman@gmail.com> wrote:

I've acquired a couple, three fly lines, but I've no clue what line weight they are - all appear to be WF floaters. I suppose I could get out on the lawn with my 3, 4, 5, 7 and 8 wts and try to determine line weight, but is there some other less laborious way of identifying what the line weights of unlabeled anonymous lines might be?

Mark

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Sunday club casting 8:30-10

Ill be there to work with anyone interested in beginner or intermediate single hand casting.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Sunday club casting 8:30-10

I am planning on coming and working on two handed Spey

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Friday, 30 October 2015

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} High water Virginia browns, etc.

Gene,

Great pics! Way to make the best of a bad situation. As far as the streamers go im not sure there is a wrong way to fish em. I will say this when those little streams get super high the hydraulics in the middle get nasty and the fish push up on the edges to get food and protection . I like to high stick streamers right on the edge when its up and muddy. On smaller high gradient stream I like to throw up stream and rip it down fast to simulate something fleeing. If you strip slow you loose tension.

Art

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Some TPFR updates

Rob,

I just ordered a Square reader and set up the account yesterday, Rob.

Davis,

I'll follow Dan's lead and open an invitation for you to operate online sales and shipment of gear. Half jokingly but half seriously... I know this would raise us more money but is more hassle than I can handle right now.

Dalton

On Friday, October 30, 2015, Rob Snowhite <rob@robsnowhite.com> wrote:

If we get a square reader I can set up the e commerce site through square inc.

Maybe tpfr face masks down the line too?

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On Oct 30, 2015, at 7:14 PM, TurbineBlade <doublebclan@gmail.com> wrote:

Ditto -- I can appreciate how much "behind the scenes" work goes into all of this. Thank you --

Gene

On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 6:40:35 PM UTC-4, D. Walker wrote:
Will the shirts/ hats be available to purchase online somewhere or only at beer ties. Just wondering so that someone does not have to lug all the shirts and hats into the beer tie every month etc and also make them more accessible to members. Just food for thought.
Dalton I love the initiative you have taken!

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Noob Question: Line Choice

Dave,

I wouldn't buy used lines from ebay. I purchased these from someone I knew through a forum, but someone I have met and know how they take care of their equipment. If you go to fly shows, some of the vendors will have used lines. They usually get them when they buy reels and if they are any good, they strip them off. Then you can look at them and make sure they are not cracked and do not have a memory of being on the reel.

I usually buy these for casting practice or to round out the line weights I don't have and they go for $10-15. If they only last a half a season, I'm still ahead.

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 8:21 AM, namfos <mark.sofman@gmail.com> wrote:

Or if you're cheap like me, keep your WF line on one inexpensive reel and your DT on another inexpensive reel. That way you don't have to fumble around with spare spools and it's less labor than unspooling.

Mark

On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 9:42:14 PM UTC-4, Carl wrote:
Some rules I work with are:

Spare spools of different reels are nice, but you can pull the line off and store it in a loose coil in a ziplock bag as well. It isn't quick change but it doesn't take that much time to respool a line.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Piney Branch - heaven on earth - report for Bruce

Thanks for the info Bruce -- that's helpful. Stuff like that saves a lot of gas/time/hassle.

Gene

On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 1:52:04 PM UTC-4, Danny Barrett wrote:

Thanks for the information. I will have to venture down to it and try my luck sometime soon.

Thanks,

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On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 3:10 PM, Jeremy Dusina <jdu...@gmail.com> wrote:
the ranger station is at mile marker 22 on Skyline. Gene is correct - can't miss the trail head.

For me, here are some comparisons between the two streams:
- both beautiful and likely sparsely populated by other fisher-persons
- Rap is slightly larger water, if only slightly.
- both hold tons of hungry brookies
- Piney brookies seem a touch more eager to investigate a dry fly
- Rap is more difficult on your vehicle to reach the head waters as you have a good 30 minutes on a fire road
- Piney is a good 1.5- 2 mile hike down from Skyline or up from the bottom before reaching water - not sure if that is a pro or con. But remember that if you hike down from Skyline, there is an uphill hike back to your vehicle/camp at the end of the day
- both offer countless pools of gin clear water - more than you can cover in a day, even with a buddy leap frogging each other.
- Rap seemed to have a few more riffles that held fish between the pools (maybe that was user error on my part on Piney)
- I use a 6'6" 3wt and have no problem casting on either stream
- Piney pools seemed more accessible from dry land

I have been to the Rapidan several times and once to Piney. I plan to return to both.

On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 8:50:30 PM UTC-4, Danny Barrett wrote:
Having seen a lot of talk about Piney. Im curious, for those of you that have fished both it and the Rapidan. Can you offer any pros or cons between them?

Thanks,

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On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 4:09 PM, TurbineBlade <doubl...@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't know for sure because I haven't tried the bottom, but access from skyline is at the ranger station across from Mathew's Arm more or less. You can't miss the trailhead marker as you pull in....just look to your left.

Let us know how you do if you make it out!

Gene

On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 3:31:26 PM UTC-4, Nick W wrote:
Whats the best way to access Piney, Bruce and Gene?

On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 4:23:03 PM UTC-4, TurbineBlade wrote:
Hey Bruce -- We finally took your advice (I gave you my word!) and tried this one for the first time. What a wonderful SNP stream! We fished the entire 4-day weekend in the SNP and both thoroughly stink of fish slime. I think the Piney tallied 5 total streams, but was the only new one.

We thought Piney would be a bit smaller than it actually was, not that small is bad. It is full of plunge pools and actually holds some larger brookies than we imagined....especially further down from the first trail crossing.

We hiked in 1.8 miles or so and busted our way to the stream just past the phone pole, right-of-way on piney branch trail. You can hear the stream most of the way after the first crossing. We could have gone a bit further, but we've hiked/fishing enough in the SNP to know how long it takes to hike back up to skyline (when you're tired and hungry), and knew we'd need to get ready for the beer tie this evening.

Awesome, awesome stream. We loved it. Will go back.

It's another one that "Rapidan fans" will like. Unlike the Rap, you seem to get more fish in the good spots and they're a bit more naive. Come to think of it, the Rap has probably taught me more about fishing than anywhere else.

Anyway, I hate long reports. It's like listening to someone talk about their crappy garage band and you keep nodding and wondering if you could fit through the bathroom window to escape. (I played in more than one crappy garage band, so no offense meant).

Saw one pair of hikers -- that's it. No bears, surprisingly. I don't think many SNP streams with a 1.5 mile or more uphill climb back to Skyline see many American fly fishermen.

Gene

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} High water Virginia browns, etc.

I was surprised at how high the lower Rap was on our trip to ConRapiStaunDitch this morning. I failed to check the Culpeper gauge! Anyway, the road was washed up a bit (4X4) and I knew I was in trouble once I stepped out of the truck and heard how LOUD the stream was. I'm not a great streamer fisherman, and figured I'd brush up on the nymph (and duo) game. If anyone is a trout streamer specialist -- lay some information on me! I've not mastered it whatsoever.

Levels might be better this Sunday, but boy are they high now. If you're out just plan to move along more quickly than usual to find the soft spots on the edges (and behind the occasional rock). They're in there -- but tactics change somewhat. Personally, I'd stick to skyline if you intended to get out. Pretty, pretty!

Hope everyone is outdoors and happy!

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Some TPFR updates

If we get a square reader I can set up the e commerce site through square inc.

Maybe tpfr face masks down the line too?

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Ditto -- I can appreciate how much "behind the scenes" work goes into all of this. Thank you --

Gene

On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 6:40:35 PM UTC-4, D. Walker wrote:
Will the shirts/ hats be available to purchase online somewhere or only at beer ties. Just wondering so that someone does not have to lug all the shirts and hats into the beer tie every month etc and also make them more accessible to members. Just food for thought.
Dalton I love the initiative you have taken!

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Some TPFR updates

Ditto -- I can appreciate how much "behind the scenes" work goes into all of this. Thank you --

Gene

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Will the shirts/ hats be available to purchase online somewhere or only at beer ties. Just wondering so that someone does not have to lug all the shirts and hats into the beer tie every month etc and also make them more accessible to members. Just food for thought.
Dalton I love the initiative you have taken!

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Some TPFR updates

Will the shirts/ hats be available to purchase online somewhere or only at beer ties. Just wondering so that someone does not have to lug all the shirts and hats into the beer tie every month etc and also make them more accessible to members. Just food for thought.
Dalton I love the initiative you have taken!

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Sunday club casting 8:30-10

I plan on making it down to help out. (or just cast).

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 4:43 PM, John Bilotta <jbilotta@obassociates.net> wrote:

I will be down at Fletcher's Boat House off Canal Rd on Sunday morning with several other instructors if anyone would like to work on their single or two handed casting.

Look for the green suburban at the end of the lower lot from about 8:30-10. New single hand casters will work on loops and shooting line, intermediates will focus on improving distance. Two handed casters will do single spey or snap T casts and angle changes. The water was cool and muddy today, but should clear by Sunday.

Let me know if you might stop by and what you would like to work on.

See you there,

John

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Sunday club casting 8:30-10

I will be down at Fletcher's Boat House off Canal Rd on Sunday morning with several other instructors if anyone would like to work on their single or two handed casting.

Look for the green suburban at the end of the lower lot from about 8:30-10. New single hand casters will work on loops and shooting line, intermediates will focus on improving distance. Two handed casters will do single spey or snap T casts and angle changes. The water was cool and muddy today, but should clear by Sunday.

Let me know if you might stop by and what you would like to work on.

See you there,

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Fly Tying Clinic on Saturday - Trick Or Treat: Halloween Inspired Flies

Learn to tie some cool patterns at the Old Town shop. Bring your vise, your tools, and some thread. We provide all the materials, as well as coffee and donuts.

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This Saturday - October 31st, from 10:00am until noon in our Old Town Alexandria, VA shop.

Bring in your vise and tying tools, and tie along with us. Learn tips, tricks, and the special techniques for tying amazing flies that will help you catch more fish.

You will tie alongside Urban Angler shop employees, local guides, and well known tyers in the fly fishing industry.

These clinics will cover a range of regional and seasonal fly patterns. From local specialty patterns to unique flies for exotic species.

Space is limited, so arrive early and have fun. Tie one on!

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Call To Action Petition - Donald Trump vs Potomac Shoreline

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Jet Oil Spill at DCA

Wonder what beer the airport spokesman drinks....

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Just saw this. Hoping it isn't too bad.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/fuel-spills-into-potomac-river-at-area-south-of-reagan-national-airport/2015/10/30/e5180c96-7f12-11e5-afce-2afd1d3eb896_story.html

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Jet Oil Spill at DCA

Just saw this. Hoping it isn't too bad.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Some TPFR updates

Mark,

10-4, we're on the same page about performance shirts, and I think the supplier we're going to use for hats has the UPF polyester shirts for a price that allows us to make some money and be palpable to our members (between $20-30).

For the Beer Tie assignment, we'd like to try this out with TPFR providing the materials and a recipe (maybe an expert demonstrator as well), so we don't send you guys on a wild goose chase for materials. I'll put up a post next week about November 9th Beer Tie highlighting exactly what we're going to do. Perhaps we could get a rotation of these assignments and Iron Vise going?

Mark, thanks for the suggestions and ideas, and thanks to everyone who has and will reach out personally!

Dalton

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Some TPFR updates

Shirts: t-shirts are cool, but not just cotton. How about printing on "performance" fabric, polyester, long sleeve and short sleeve. If the new graphic isn't too too complicated perhaps offer an option for having it embroidered on polo shirts and/or "technical" fishing shirts. If TPFR is not sure of overall demand, perhaps take orders in advance. There are also web sites that will take your submitted design and then do the rest and sell via the Web. Downside is that they get the major cut from sales with a lesser bit going to the designer/seller.

I think a Pattern Assignment is a great idea. Perhaps establish a schedule for same 6 or 12 months in advance and include it with Beer Tie notices.

More Iron Vise would be fun too - I know I'd donate excess/surplus materials for those taking on the challenge. I'd even be willing to help parcel our the stuff into packets for competing tiers. This might also be an opportunity to conduct my idea of group shopping at a craft store. (apologies to the shop guys)

Mark

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Thursday, 29 October 2015

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Some TPFR updates

On top of this new commercial posting policy, I want to clarify and reiterate our commitment to our nonprofit friends, Casting for Recovery, Project Healing Waters, Frogman Outdoors and others. We want you guys to continue promoting your paid and free fundraising events as always.

Dalton

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Some TPFR updates

TPFRs,

I have a few updates on the club as your new president. The leadership is thrilled with where Dan left the club and we have a few ideas about where we're going. I want to share some short term goals and longer term goals as well as an update to our commercial posting policy.

Within the next few months, we have a few deliverables that you should hold me to:

- New hats, this time from a new vendor and hopefully they don't fade from green to orange

- Shirts: one of our members has volunteered to design a graphic for shirts--we can't wait to see what he comes up with and get these made

- Credit card reader at Beer Ties: we want to make it easier for you to help us raise money

- New ideas for Beer Ties: in addition to our beginners table we want to add a more advanced pattern "assignment" for our more seasoned tyers

In the longer term:

- Booth at the Virginia Fly Fishing and Wine Featival in the Spring

- Bluegill Tournament: McFly recommended this years ago, we are going to make this happen next Summer

Outside of this, we will be working with other ideas we come up with or ideas you contribute. Feel free to post here or e-mail any of us directly.

In addition to these goals, we want to let you know we've updated our policy regarding commercial posts. None of the officers or members want to see tons of spam posts here, but we have decided to allow posts from commercial members announcing free fishing events (fly tying demonstrations, fly fishing classes, special speakers, etc.). We think these events fit with the ethos of our club and can benefit our members without being in your face advertising. However, to our commercial members, you must clear these posts with us before posting (shoot me an e-mail at president@tpfr.org). We probably won't turn you down but, for example, we don't want to see 5 Orvis stores posting every week about Fly Fishing 101--we would want this consolidated to a single post. We don't want to see any content within these messages about sales, gear or anything else self-enriching. Otherwise, the commercial posting policy is unchanged, and this this allowance is always subject to change or our discretion if we think it's getting out of hand. Thanks Richie and Art for bringing this up to me, I hope this helps the club and our local stores.

As always, let us know if you have any comments or suggestions.

Dalton

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Noob Question: Line Choice

Thanks. And thinking about this stuff beats the hell out of working this afternoon!

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Noob Question: Line Choice

Dave,

To answer your questions: no it's not all equal, and yes different lines will affect rod performance. Despite this I'm still pretty sure a heavier line will be easier to cast in the wind, but I'm positive you'll find the experiment more meaningful than my explanation why. So I'll leave it there.

As for Lefty, he made a career fishing so good on him.

On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 1:38:17 PM UTC-4, Dave J wrote:

This is all interesting, for sure. More mass and velocity is better for distance, all else being equal. But is it all equal? Wouldn't heavier lines deform a given rod more as it bends, and therefore affect loop size, line speed, how much line you can carry, and how the rod recovers?

With respect -- to take your example, Gene, and flip it: instead of going to a three weight line, take an eleven weight line on whatever mid-weight example we're using here. I doubt you will throw a tight loop a great distance by overlining that much, just as I won't gain the advantage described by going down several line weights. Of course, taking it to extremes and *grossly* over- or underlining might not make either point... maybe instead that takes this all into other properties of physics and rod performance, magnifies problems in the casting stroke that screw things up in different ways... I don't know :)

As far as wind resistance by going up or down a line size, doesn't seem like it would matter much to me, but who knows.

So if you stay within the rod's performance window and slightly overline and compensate with stroke and hauling... couldn't you also slightly underline and do what Lefty describes? I've overlined and underlined rods before and played around with how they cast, but I can't say I've tried underlining specifically to gain distance in howling wind. Think I will try it when the wind kicks up again. Will probably just frustrate myself but maybe it will help. Or it won't :)

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Noob Question: Line Choice

While this is still totally derailed, I was thinking about casting style. One of the things Lefty preaches is "If you ain't built like the instructor, you can't cast like the instructor", meaning he recognizes there are multiple casting styles which are all acceptable so long as the result is there. But! He then goes on to tell you things like "keep your elbow on a shelf" and "reach way back behind you to make a longer cast" and "use your whole body" and "keep your thumb behind the rod" and "so forth....essentially forcing you into his particularly style (and my style), when many, many people may be better served using a different style.

I took most of that stuff to heart and forced that style, which happens to work fine for me (but maybe not you!)....but I just prefer a different approach to beginner fly casting than his.

Gene

On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 2:26:51 PM UTC-4, TurbineBlade wrote:

I actually don't prefer overlining rods most of the time ;). I generally stick with the line printed on the rod. I've never really been a believer in the "overlining slows the rod's action down" idea. I prefer to think of it as "making the rod cast as if it has more line out of the tip" since the action of the rod is always set (fast, med, slow, etc.). In other words, a 7wt fenwick ff80 with a 8.5wt line casts (to me) like a 7wt fenwick ff80 with more fly line out of the tip....not so much "slower" like most people say, though I agree that timing is slower as you extend more line out.

Lefty has an excellent cast -- only a food would say otherwise. I cast heavily in his style, so if anything I should buy into everything he says 100% and keep my mouth shut ;).

His answer absolutely has some truth to it -- a thinner line with have less wind resistance, but the overall suggestion is.....well, wrong. It's not so much a difference of opinion, what he's saying is incorrect unless the laws of physics cease to exist for Lefty Kreh. It's important to get facts straight sometimes. I don't have the physics background, but I read that article once and immediately knew it wasn't right. That's all. ;)

This is WAY off topic now, but I think "slow" action fly rods are the best teachers for teaching how a rod loads and unloads because the feel and timing seem a bit easier to grasp. I cast rods of every action and like them all at various times.

Gene

On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 1:58:11 PM UTC-4, Matthew Longley wrote:
Hahaha - Dave, this is exactly what I meant.

I'm sure Gene is correct, that for his cast, overlining is better in wind. And Lefty Kreh... well Lefty Kreh is probably one of the foremost experts on fly fishing in the history of fly fishing, so its safe to assume his answer also has at least some truth to it.

At the end of the day, its about how you feel when casting, and the results you get from it. BTW, I would highly recommend asking others you are out fishing with to try casting their rigs as often as you can. I recently tried a buddy's rig and it was like turning on a light in a dark room - So that's the difference between fast and slow action!

On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 1:38:17 PM UTC-4, Dave J wrote:
This is all interesting, for sure. More mass and velocity is better for distance, all else being equal. But is it all equal? Wouldn't heavier lines deform a given rod more as it bends, and therefore affect loop size, line speed, how much line you can carry, and how the rod recovers?

With respect -- to take your example, Gene, and flip it: instead of going to a three weight line, take an eleven weight line on whatever mid-weight example we're using here. I doubt you will throw a tight loop a great distance by overlining that much, just as I won't gain the advantage described by going down several line weights. Of course, taking it to extremes and *grossly* over- or underlining might not make either point... maybe instead that takes this all into other properties of physics and rod performance, magnifies problems in the casting stroke that screw things up in different ways... I don't know :)

As far as wind resistance by going up or down a line size, doesn't seem like it would matter much to me, but who knows.

So if you stay within the rod's performance window and slightly overline and compensate with stroke and hauling... couldn't you also slightly underline and do what Lefty describes? I've overlined and underlined rods before and played around with how they cast, but I can't say I've tried underlining specifically to gain distance in howling wind. Think I will try it when the wind kicks up again. Will probably just frustrate myself but maybe it will help. Or it won't :)

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